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08-29-2008, 10:11 PM
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Both tickets have been formed, what do you think?
As of today, McCain picked Sarah Palin, the Governor of Alaska as his running mate. I've never heard of her, but apparently she has the same myopic world view as McCain so I'm sure they'll work well together. Obama picked Biden last week, and I think it was a good pick overall. There's been quite a bit of speculation as to whether McCain picked Palin as a sneaky way of attracting disenfranchised Hillary supporters who haven't jumped on board the Obama train yet, I tend to agree. What do you guys think, of either pick?
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08-29-2008, 10:24 PM
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Re: Both tickets have been formed, what do you think?
Well, we have said before, this election is very much about who's running for Veep. McCain's old and may not live out a term, and some rednecks will want to....well, you know...
Still serious, I was wondering to myself if McCain might try a women candidate, or at least a young one to contrast with Obama's older choice. I thought Obama would have picked a young good looking candidate.
At this point, it is far too early to tell who is stronger. The Republicans haven't had their convention, and the debates are in the future.
Best solution? Vote neither. America has a chance to make both major party wake up by electing third party candidates across the slate.
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08-29-2008, 11:13 PM
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Re: Both tickets have been formed, what do you think?
Sarah Palin is a freaking MILF!
Joe Bidden is however, an excellent VP.
However, in regards to a third party? It'll never happen, Our voting system is setup up in a way that seriously discourages it
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08-30-2008, 11:26 AM
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Re: Both tickets have been formed, what do you think?
i think mccain just clinched it with his choice. Obama picks whitey mc whiterson to try to win the white vote, and in the same breath says I am for change but let me pick a OG congress man. McCain picks hottie mcyoungerson to quell he is soooo old crowd and you know how superficial america is about our politics. I am going to bet landslide McCain as of now
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08-30-2008, 01:14 PM
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Re: Both tickets have been formed, what do you think?
I'm voting for Boobs McChesterton '08.
But I think both McCain and Obama picked interesting veeps, so I'm curious to see how the debates turn out. Of course, I'll probably rather have Nader then either of them.
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08-30-2008, 02:13 PM
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Re: Both tickets have been formed, what do you think?
I believe that McCains choice for VP was not just to get the women's votes, but also to gather all the Pro Life votes, as well as the Mormon votes that where wavering and thinking of going for Obama/Biden.
She is a far better speaker then McCain is, and almost as good as Obama, whom I think is an excellent speaker.
I still think it will be a pretty close election.
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08-30-2008, 02:53 PM
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Re: Both tickets have been formed, what do you think?
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I believe that McCains choice for VP was not just to get the women's votes, but also to gather all the Pro Life votes, as well as the Mormon votes that where wavering and thinking of going for Obama/Biden.
She is a far better speaker then McCain is, and almost as good as Obama, whom I think is an excellent speaker.
I still think it will be a pretty close election.
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Don't forget the NRA and Military. The NRA is already against Obama, so it will give a bigger push for the McCain ticket with NRA members. With her son in the Army it's bond to boost the veteran and Miltary vote for the McCain ticket.
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Originally Posted by http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/30/mccain-picks-palin-for-gop-ticket/
Mrs. Palin, 44, still in her first term as governor, brings strong conservative credentials - she opposes abortion rights and gay marriage, supports increased domestic drilling for oil, is a lifelong member of the National Rifle Association and has a son in the U.S. Army who deploys to Iraq next month.
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08-30-2008, 03:23 PM
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Re: Both tickets have been formed, what do you think?
What do I think? I'll take a quote from a blog I read as that pretty much sums it up
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this kicks the Barack *redacted* Obama campaign right in the slats and shows his VP choice up for the cynical, gun-shy, least-common-denominator sop to the old guard of the Dem party that it was.
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08-30-2008, 06:22 PM
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Re: Both tickets have been formed, what do you think?
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Don't forget the NRA and Military. The NRA is already against Obama, so it will give a bigger push for the McCain ticket with NRA members. With her son in the Army it's bond to boost the veteran and Miltary vote for the McCain ticket.
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Ahh yes, thank you. I did forget. I knew there where others.
Now, PETA will be against McCain though.
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08-30-2008, 08:05 PM
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Re: Both tickets have been formed, what do you think?
I hope this will turn into an interesting election. Maybe we can get some serious discussion started with such a diverse (OMG, I actually used that word) group of politicians.
It will be great to see how the Republican convention turns out with Hurricane Gustav targeting the Gulf Coast and Tropical Storm Hanna hanging out behind the curtains.
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08-31-2008, 02:06 AM
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Re: Both tickets have been formed, what do you think?
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Well, we have said before, this election is very much about who's running for Veep. McCain's old and may not live out a term, and some rednecks will want to....well, you know...
Still serious, I was wondering to myself if McCain might try a women candidate, or at least a young one to contrast with Obama's older choice. I thought Obama would have picked a young good looking candidate.
At this point, it is far too early to tell who is stronger. The Republicans haven't had their convention, and the debates are in the future.
Best solution? Vote neither. America has a chance to make both major party wake up by electing third party candidates across the slate.
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I use to believe in a 3rd party till I seen what it did in "92"......Bad Idea!!! Where do you stop, a 4th party, then 5th???? Some shithead radical could come to power that way with just a small amount of the votes. After all.....that's how Hilter came to power in Germany cuz of sooo many parties!
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08-31-2008, 10:37 AM
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Re: Both tickets have been formed, what do you think?
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Originally Posted by licupssy
Don't forget the NRA and Military. The NRA is already against Obama, so it will give a bigger push for the McCain ticket with NRA members. With her son in the Army it's bond to boost the veteran and Miltary vote for the McCain ticket.
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Simply assuming the military is more for McCain is just not true, look at this article. Furthermore, with McCain picking someone with about as much foreign policy experience as my Mom, she's lived in Germany and been to Canada, he can't really point to Obama's supposed lack of foreign policy credentials so much any more can he? I heard a hilarious comment on Fox News the other day that because Palin is the Governor from Alaska, she has foreign policy credentials because the state is right next to Russia?!  Isn't Biden's son a Major in the National Guard, and was being deployed right after the speech he gave to introduce his Father during the convention?
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Military donations favor Obama over McCain
Troops donate more campaign money to Obama than McCain, despite McCain's military record
WASHINGTON (AP) -- U.S. soldiers have donated more presidential campaign money to Democrat Barack Obama than to Republican John McCain, a reversal of previous campaigns in which military donations tended to favor GOP White House hopefuls, a nonpartisan group reported Thursday.
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Troops serving abroad have given nearly six times as much money to Obama's presidential campaign as they have to McCain's, the Center for Responsive Politics said.
The results also are striking because they favored Obama, who never has served in the military. McCain meanwhile, is a decorated war veteran who spent nearly five years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam. The Arizona senator graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy and had a 22-year career as a naval aviator.
Obama has opposed the war in Iraq and says he would withdraw combat troops within 16 months. McCain has been a steadfast supporter of the war, saying he would withdraw the troops only when conditions on the ground warrant it.
"Obama will work tirelessly to uphold this nation's sacred trust with its veterans, to ensure they are not forgotten after they return home and he will provide our troops with the leadership they deserve, as well as the support they and their families need," Obama spokesman Nick Shapiro said.
McCain's campaign played down the significance of the donations.
"John McCain has been endorsed by more retired admirals and generals than Barack Obama has military donors," McCain spokesman Michael Goldfarb said in a statement.
"We feel confident that many U.S. troops stationed overseas will support John McCain in the election this fall, but we suspect most are too busy doing the important work of defending this country than to make political contributions," Goldfarb said.
The report tracked donations of $200 or more. It found that 859 members of the military donated a total of $335,536 to Obama. McCain received $280,513 from 558 military donors.
Among soldiers serving overseas at the time of their donations, 134 gave a total of $60,642 to Obama while 26 gave a total of $10,665 to McCain. That was less than the amount received by Republican Ron Paul, who collected $45,512 from 99 soldiers serving abroad, the report said.
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08-31-2008, 10:50 AM
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Re: Both tickets have been formed, what do you think?
crawler i don't see how any choice of veep for a candidate makes obamas strengths and weakness's more or less. Quit looking for something to attack your candidates opponent with
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08-31-2008, 02:16 PM
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Re: Both tickets have been formed, what do you think?
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Simply assuming the military is more for McCain is just not true, look at this article.
The report tracked donations of $200 or more. It found that 859 members of the military donated a total of $335,536 to Obama. McCain received $280,513 from 558 military donors.
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Y'know, you really should take better care at reading your own articles. Because it only tracks donations of 200 dollars and more, this means it will primarily be tracking officer donations. Moreover, it will most certainly primarily be tracking ranks above Captain. As such, it becomes USELESS as an indicator of which way the military as a whole is leaning. Any questions?
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08-31-2008, 03:07 PM
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Re: Both tickets have been formed, what do you think?
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crawler i don't see how any choice of veep for a candidate makes obamas strengths and weakness's more or less. Quit looking for something to attack your candidates opponent with
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Oh I can come up with plenty to attack McCain with, but you probably won't be hearing much about the inexperience of Obama with Palin's nonexistent experience. As far as reading the article, yep I read it. So what you're trying to say is that officers opinions and political beliefs don't matter as much as enlisted personnel? It's funny that McCain always says the military always backs him because of his military background, and the fact that he has an R behind his name. This is but one article that puts that supposed "fact" in question. Face it, a large part of the reason that more people in the military donated to Obama is they know that Iraq was a mistake, and we shouldn't be there any longer. Here's a little something from Politico about McCain's pick Palin, and what it says about him.
John McCain’s pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin says a lot about his decison-making – and some of it is downright breathtaking.
The selection of a running mate is among the most consequential and the most defining decisions a presidential nominee can make. John McCain’s pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin says a lot about his decision-making — and some of it is downright breathtaking.
We knew McCain is a politician who relishes improvisation and likes to go with his gut. But it is remarkable that someone who has repeatedly emphasized experience in this campaign named an inexperienced governor he barely knew to be his No. 2. Whatever you think of the pick, here are six things it tells us about McCain:
1. He’s desperate. Let’s stop pretending this race is as close as national polling suggests. The truth is McCain is essentially tied or trailing in every swing state that matters — and too close for comfort in several states, such as Indiana and Montana, that the GOP usually wins pretty easily in presidential races. On top of that, voters seem very inclined to elect Democrats in general this election — and very sick of the Bush years.
McCain could easily lose in an electoral landslide. That is the private view of Democrats and Republicans alike.
McCain’s pick shows he is not pretending. Politicians, even “mavericks” like McCain, play it safe when they think they are winning — or see an easy path to winning. They roll the dice only when they know that the risks of conventionality are greater than the risks of boldness.
The Republican brand is a mess. McCain is reasonably concluding that it won’t work to replicate George W. Bush and Karl Rove’s electoral formula, based around national security and a big advantage among Y chromosomes, from 2004.
“She’s a fresh new face in a party that’s dying for one — the antidote to boring white men,” a campaign official said.
Palin, the logic goes, will prompt voters to give McCain a second look — especially women who have watched Democrats reject Hillary Rodham Clinton for Barack Obama.
The risks of a backlash from choosing someone so unknown and so untested are obvious. In one swift stroke, McCain demolished what had been one of his main arguments against Obama.
“I think we’re going to have to examine our tag line, ‘dangerously inexperienced,’” a top McCain official said wryly.
2. He’s willing to gamble — bigtime. Let’s face it: This is not the pick of a self-confident candidate. It is the political equivalent of a trick play or, as some Democrats called it, a Hail Mary pass in football. McCain talks incessantly about experience, and then goes and selects a woman he hardly knows, who hardly knows foreign policy and who can hardly be seen as instantly ready for the presidency.
He is smart enough to know it could work, at least politically. Many Republicans see this pick as a brilliant stroke, because it will be difficult for Democrats to run hard against a woman in the wake of the Hillary Clinton drama. Will this push those disgruntled Hillary voters McCain’s way? Perhaps. But this is hardly aimed at them: It is directed at the huge bloc of independent women who could decide this election — especially those who do not see abortion as a make-or-break issue.
McCain has a history of taking dares. Palin represents his biggest one yet.
3. He’s worried about the political implications of his age. Like a driver overcorrecting out of a swerve, he chooses someone who is two years younger than the youthful Obama and 28 years younger than he is. (He turned 72 on Friday.) The father-daughter comparison was inevitable when they appeared next to each other.
4. He’s not worried about the actuarial implications of his age. He thinks he’s in fine fettle and Palin wouldn’t be performing the main constitutional duty of a vice president, which is standing by in case a president dies or becomes | |