ryster

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Firstly, depending on your stance concerning racial humor, you may be offended by the following image.

Anyways, yesterday I was banned from a forum for posting this image in a "funny pictures" thread. I made it very clear that my intent was strictly humor, and I didn't seek to offend anyone with the image. I cannot help but feel wronged after getting this ban, it expires in three days and, depending on whether my current e-mail is answered, I plan to send the admins a PM concerning the ban.

I know the community around here is large, varied, and contains a number of black people, so I want to hear what you all think.

Here's what I have to say:

I cannot count the number of times black people (anyone from random people back in high-school to full-fledged comedians) have made racial jokes about blacks, specifically concerning their stereotypical "love" of fried chicken. I know that, like all stereotypes, that one is a massive generalization. Not only do not all blacks like fried chicken, but those who do, along with their white companions, probably like fried chicken because it has a good taste.

Racial culture, however, may very well have an impact. Fried chicken can be considered as much of a cultural food for black Americans as hamburgers and hot dogs are for white Americans. Many blacks live and have lived for generations in the deep south, where the art of cooking fried chicken has been perfected. Now, that doesn't account for black folk living outside the US, but neither does African-American, and nobody seems to mind that awful, "politically-correct" name for blacks in general.

I mean, when it comes down to it, I want to know why people take anything racial from white people so seriously. I as an individual have never wronged any black on account of there race, nor am I in any way responsible for the actions of the slave-owners of Americas past (besides the fact that many slaves were sold to Americans by black, African slaveholders). Black people abroad haven't been persecuted for their entire history, as a race, and those who were weren't persecuted specifically by whites. Racial jokes are no worse that any other sort, and for god sakes, the "N" word is no worse than the "C" word or the "F" word, Especially considering how frequently it is used by the lower-class blacks (and lower-class whites), such as those in gangs.

I think 80% of the time people who are quick to raise the "RACIST!" flag are the true racists, rationalizing that any racial comment will inevitably offend black people, because, "well, it must be true." I mean, I know (based of my experience with blacks and people of other ethnicity) that most black people are smart enough to differentiate humor from abuse (just like white people are able to - we are the same...RIGHT, Mr. Anti-Racist) and if the Anti-Racial Extremists would gtfo or stfu, racial discrimination in 1st world countries would, as a broad mindset, entirely disappear.

Finally, if anyone desides to be an ignorant prick and assume I am a Neo-Nazi or some bull shit, well

-I have cousins directly from Iran
-I am half German
-I worked side by side (when I would visit during the summer and fall) with a black person on my grandparents farm in Saugerties, NY
-My best friend is 1/4 American Indian and 1/4 native Hawaiian
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Anyways,

I hope to get some solid, intelligent replies from both sides (and all races!!!), as I seek to understand why people think the way they do.

Looking forward to it,

RYSTER

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Juan.©amaney

Comparing webrats to any other forum is not being realistic. We all know that picture is racist. We do not all find it offensive, however. My advice...quit being a cunt, take your ban as a slap on the wrist, continue to participate if its a fun forum. If not, hang out here and put as much racist shit as your heart wants in the bottom of the hole and we'll lol right with you.

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watzizname

Its an interesting point, in that perhaps, someone who's Anti-Racist, is in fact adding more weight & confirming a real racist point of view, by defending someone who's skin colour (of all things) happens to be different, like they're incapable of defending themselves, or its an unfortunate vulnerability / handicap to be anything other than white, even if the intent was nothing of the sort.

However, you have to remember that everyone is different, and not everyone will come to the same conclusions given the same piece of information, and the fact is, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
If those causing the problems, had enough inteligence to bitch about & blame something other than another race for all their problems, society wouldn't have had to impose such rules.

Race hate is a real problem, that needs to be dealt with, and i guess this is the way our society has chosen to deal with it right now.. i would suggest you get on board or go the way of the dinosaurs.

CD

Just clone Bill Cosby and eliminate Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

The last 2 names are among the handful of people trying to keep racism alive. Because without it, they wouldn't have much to do and probably wouldn't have millions of dollars at their disposal.

Bill Cosby says the things needed to be said, and it's not something the "ghetto" blacks want to hear. It means they have to grow up and realize that Sharpton and Jackson can't hand them the perfect life... they have to earn it.

But on the flipside, your image was mildly offensive, but blacks in general have heard MUCH worse... even from their own.

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ryster

Edit: just read CD's post.

I think your exactly right, and while the picture is offensive, I don't think it is a hateful thing. Its just like some Stand-Up comedians direct their comedy towards youth, while others towards the most raunchy, crude-humored adults around. It might offend someone, but it isn't a sign of hate when it's so clearly designed to be humorous. I guess it comes down to the fact that I am a member of the crude-humored un-politically-correct adults club, and not everyone around wants to be in here with me. I suppose it's sort of like you shouldn't throw stuff like that around when you don't know who your audience is.

I guess your right watzizname, there's not really anything I can do about it. However I'm not sure what you mean when you said "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem". I mean, are you implying I, by making a racial joke, am part of the problem? I disagree completely - as a matter of fact, I think that is exactly what society needs to get over this racial bullshit. People need to use the same common sense they do when they watch Stand-Up Comedy and that's seeing the difference between a joke and a truly hateful remark. Race shouldn't be a taboo topic, because doing so alienates one race from another. Nobody should give a flying fuck whether the person sitting next to them is black or white or any other colored skin. I should be able to crack a joke about a "big dumb nigger" whilst sitting in the most racially diverse crown imaginable right after I crack one about a "ugly fat whore". Fair enough everyone is different, but if you are so different that you are incapable of seeing the line between harmless humor and racial hate, than you are either very ignorant of very stupid.

But I'm still curious to know what the people who are proponents of such a stance (as in, I make a racial joke, I must be a racist).

And Juan, with all due respect, I wasn't asking for your advice. Or anyone's, for that matter. I will deal with my actions on that forum as I see fit. I want to know, what do you really think about it? Do you give a shit if someone cracks a joke that stereotypes Mexicans?

And you say that picture is racist, is it really? I mean, define racism. Literally racism is any discrimination whatsoever based upon race, which in itself is an unavoidable aspect of human nature. If you had to pick between to futbol teams, as a Mexican, given no other information on the teams, would you choose to join the team comprised of Mexicans or Englishmen? The odds are you would choose the Mexicans because you associate them with yourself through your racial kinship. Is there anything wrong with that? I don't think so. It is human nature, and it alone has never hurt anyone.

The real problem is racial hate, as watzizname said, which has in today's world become known as "racism". The picture is of a bug-eyed black man looking at a bucket of KFC. The idea came from the commonly used stereotype that black people like fried chicken. Black people joke about it, why can't white people? Well the reason is white people are inherently racist...right? We owe the black people something, we have wronged them in some way, we cannot make fun of them because of this. It's a load of bollocks and every literate human being knows this.

The picture is a joke, the people who think it's anti-black are the ones who need to get over themselves, stop being cunts, and grow the fuck up.

Do any non-white people around here find race, as a source of comedy, offensive and inappropriate?

Juan.©amaney

I'm sorry, I figured since you posted all the unecessary details about the ban (unecessary if the post wasn't asking for advice about the ban) that you might want "advice" or maybe just a learn the rules of other forums because some (like here) are lax about racial humor and some aren't.

There is no question that the picture is racial humor. Most people associate watermelon or fried chicken because of stereotypes that are pretty deeply rooted back when things between blacks and whites weren't exactly peachy. Now, good old country boys love fried chicken too, but no one would associate them unless you were from the south. Some people get a kick out of racial jokes (I included) and then again, others would downright spit in your face for something as simple as that.

PC police asside, I don't find it offensive. But if I was shown that in a business atmosphere I would have to dissaprove because it is unnapropriate. Unapropriate for you is different than unapropriate for other people, and apparently, the people of that forum didn't agree with you.

I don't take offense to the mexican jokes that I am the butt of around here. Why? Cuz I know these guys mean it light heartedly otherwise I'd ban them out of spite. (haha j/k ) I do take offense when other's do it in mean spirits. If you are moronic enough to actually believe the stupid stereotypes some cracker came up with way back when niggers were still running barefoot, then you should probably keep that shit to yourself.

As far as the "futbol" I'd side with the team that was more probably going to win, not just with the mexicans blindly...specially if I had money to wager.

FYI, just because the people of the race being made fun of make fun of it too, doesn't mean its not racist. I've never said "ese" in normal conversation, or had an aunt who wore a thong sideways so it wouldn't hurt her panocha, and fuck George Lopez for even thinking I did.

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joerockhead

Using excuses like Your Best Friend is 1/4 American Indian and 1//4 Hawaiian and the fact you worked with African Americans or Black people does not dispel you from being Racist.

You posted a picture that is directly influence by a summoned culture.

You have offended someone on the other site and that got you the Ban.

When the Ban is over, you should apologize.

No, you may not understand why someone finds it racist, but someone did. As you get older and understand life more, you will understand. This does not make you a NEO-Nazi nor a Race hater. What is in the Soul is what would make you bad. And we do not know that, so we will not judge you.

Also, in all my years in the US Navy, I knew Many Many Men and Women of different cultures and countries and heritages. That does not keep me from being a Racist, I can still be one.

Ignorance is the biggest cause of Racism.

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Krasch

Right on, and clone Clarence Thomas while you're at it.

He was saying much the same thing as Cosby years ago.

Personally I'd say that those out there who seemingly champion the gangsta rap, don't snitch, pants around your knees lifestyle are holding blacks back far more than anything the evil white man does these days. They're presenting an image of their own people as thugs, and it needs to stop if we're ever going to see real equality.

watzizname

Meaning that not everyone is on the same page, some will look at your image and see it as nothing more than funny, some will allow it to reinforce their already uninformed / distorted preconceptions, & of course a black person might see it as further confirmation that white people are still racist.

Yes, in an ideal world, everyone would get along, but hey, it is, what it is..

And no i don't think that not confronting the situation is the ideal solution, we've a long ways to go, and some further than others..

Couldn't agree more, 2 wrongs not making a right n all that.

Sums it up, i think..

koЯnut

I personally don't think there was much harm in the picture you posted. Cracking a joke about a stereotype is pretty much a norm in our society now. However, us white folk are made to feel like we have to walk a thin line in doing so while with other races all bets are off.

Thats the thing that bothers me the most. The hypocrisy angers me to no end. As I've argued here at the WR many times, why do other races get a free pass when it comes to "new school" segregation when the white culture are labeled as racist for doing the same damn things.

What I mean by "new school" segregation is all the instances of other races having their own this or thats. This is done far more by blacks than any other race. Whether it is a t.v. network, a magazine or a college. They are directed, ran and produced primarily for their people.

MLK JR and others tried to end segregation. Nothing was supposed to be in favor of one race. Todays African American culture seems to want things separate.

The minute the white culture would even think of doings these things you'd have Al and Jesse banging down doors like the goddamn Terminator looking for John Conor.


It looks like I went of the original topic a bit so I will make my point. Humor can be a source of defusing racism if the people it's aimed at or about can see it for what it's worth and not try to find some racism hidden agenda. As long as it stays within the boundaries of humor and isn't meant to harm anyone directly (ie the Finley garbage in the Hole).

I woke up early this morning to watch the USA basketball team and only had about four hours of sleep and I also popped a couple perks for my fucked up back. So if all this sounds like retarded gibberish.......ignore and move on.

Juan.©amaney

The reason for the black only clubs (and they aren't really black only, you can join NAACP if you want to) is that, pretty much, for the first century and a half, america WAS a white only club. In some instances in corporate america, it still is. I didn't realize it until I was having a conversation with a black friend of mine, but dude, the feeling of inferiority that comes with knowing that back in the day, you would be someone's property...dude.

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fmb

This is a good point. Sometimes, we see things through the current looking glass and forget that in the past, the looking glass showed people being beaten, hanged, tarred and feathered, etc.

I look upon juans post as a serious matter; back in the day, my family owned some black folks. Today, this is seen as a serious impedence upon a persons rights. In the past, it was a "ho-hum", everyday life for the man/woman in manacles.

Others have said it in this thread and I'll repeat it: Some things may be said/spoken/displayed if the time is right and the people in the group know you and are aware of your feelings on the subject.

koЯnut

Explain the double standard in other races to me then. For example, I'm watching some random MMA fights a couple weeks ago and this messican dude has the phrase "brown pride" tatted on his belly.

I really don't give a shit. I am proud to be a ragin' guido, so he has every right to be proud of his race. But you can bet your ass if Dick Johnson from Crackersville USA has the words "white pride" inked on his torso, everyone would veiw him as a racist. In fact, I doubt whatever MMA faction it was probably wouldn't even let the guy fight.

I have no problem with cultural pride. I have a problem with other people labeling me racist if I show that pride.

And seriously, enough of the poor us, my great grandfather was a cotton picker for whitey. Yes it was a horrible time. I would have lead the anti slavery fight if I was around back then. But we are past that. I don't owe anyone shit besides my wife and family. We all have had struggles. Pull through and do something positive.