93crawler

Point taken, I myself was an Independent until I moved last year...I'm currently not a registered voter as of right now, but will register soon. I may still register as an Independent, I haven't quite decided yet.

As for the 60% figure, I'm talking about the issues not the general election match-up. Over 70% of the country wants us to significantly reduce our presence in Iraq, and the "liberal" stances on the other issues that I already stated have well over 50% of the general public's support.

As far as veering off topic, I'm pretty sure I was on topic the whole time, until you took issue with my being "a tool of the liberal blogosphere" with my creative names for McCain. And I'm sure Yamon will be in here shortly to post some sort of this guy loves the cock picture, or some anti-liberal clever picture...since this thread has been moved to the BOTH.

BackdoorJesus

heh now you've gone and done it...enter YaMon in 3..2..1..

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YaMon

These are kind of convenient too:
http://online.wsj.com/public/us
http://www.economist.com/

I've gotten both for quite a while. Wall Street Journal for the facts and the market. Economist for the more "world" view that runs both liberal and conservative.

BDJ wins this thread hands down.

Fiscally conservative is the best stance to have. It worked for Reagan's voodoo economics. It won't work with Obama's "Robin Hood" approach.

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licupssy

Yamon will love the Patriot tax. The way they want to pay for the Webb GI Bill.

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Krasch

If I were to label BackdoorJesus as anything beyond an Independent, it would perhaps be a libertarian, not Democrat or Republican.

ravenshrike

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While there is quite a bit of pork stuffed in many republican bills, especially from 00-06(Which was as big a reason they lost the legislature as any), the amount of pork passed by the dem controlled house and senate over this 07-08 period makes the republican pork look like chump change. Most ethical congress my ass.


His 8 years on the board of directors of the Joyce Foundation and their subsequent rise in anti-gun funding, as well as the fact that he's from the Chicagoland area and the ONLY way you see such a meteoric rise from a Chicago-area politico is if he has the full faith and backing of some extremely seedy characters, which combined with his being all over the map during his campaign trail(Much more then McCain who admittedly isn't squeaky clean, but then I'm in the Fuck it, McCain '08 camp) means that allowing him into the presidency would be fucking stupid. Now, obviously I'm not BDJ, but given your seemingly pathological need to find out why someone might not like the Golden Child, I felt like laying out my rationale.

Addendum - Golden Child is not in fact a name for Obama so much as the reverence with which the MSM and many of his adherents seem to behold him.

YaMon

You should "lay out your rationale" more often ravenshrike. It's pretty informative and refreshing to hear.

Fucking rep bro

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joerockhead

I guess no one really reads the Obama Tax plans.

So much for striving to get ahead.

I know most people do not want to Vote Republican, because of the Iraq issue. ANd Everyone thinks it was all the Republicans that added pork to the Iraq spending bills, yet the Democratic Controlled Congress always seems to approve the $800 billion bill as a $1.2 Trillion Bill Hmmm..... And then cry about our OIL, yet refuse to even consider other Oil Options. Well, that is until Obama Caved and changed (CHANGE) his mind.

Yeah, Vote Democrat!! Have 100% Democratic Control of our Government. See everyone in the Food Stamp Line... Comrades!

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mainstay

IF this was'nt such a serious issue, I think that I would just roll on the floor laughing at what 93crawler had posted. He said he got his news from (among others) "The Daily Show" & "The Colbert Report"....jezzzz. Those are'nt news shows, but entertainment. Stephen is just pretending to be a conservative & is really mocking them. Why not watch "Late Night with Jay Leno"....samething!!! No wonder your soooo out of touch. I'll have to agree with BDJ & others about McCain's experience & the statement that HE does'nt support the troops is ludicrous. Here in Georgia they don't ask you what party your a member of in the general election & I'm an Independent. Still....I think anyone with an IQ over 60 can tell when the mainstream press is trying to ram something up your ass. I've been on this planet for 43 years & I've never seen the 3 Network News anchors follow a president around the world on the same plane, muchless someone who's just running for the office!!!! PS, Be careful of the liberal blogs, they'll rot your brain.

93crawler

As I have consistently stated, I really could care less what all you old fucks say. I watch "The Daily Show" and "The Colbert Report" mainly for laughs, although Stewart in particular points out many of the absurdities of the MSM. Although there was a study done recently that said that viewers of both Comedy Central programs were only about 6 points behind viewers of "The O'Reilly Factor" in terms of being knowledgeable with current world/national news. Again I get my news from several sources, and the only liberal blog that I occasionally visit is the Huffington Post. I don't comment on anything, as I think most of those guys/girls have entirely too much time on their hands, commenting on an article about what shoes McCain wore one day. I also happen to visit Town Hall, a staunchly conservative site, but you guys just seem to skip over that one entirely.

It's funny how you guys spend maybe one, or at the most two sentences responding to my initial post, and then go about talking shit the rest of the post specifically about me. This is the second post of mine that was started in EOTH, and then moved to BOTH partly I bet, just to talk shit about me. I realize this is a staunchly conservative forum, and I'm in a very, very small minority. It amazes me that threads in the EOTH can't stay on message without one person, or several people trying to demean the other person. You may continue to talk all the shit you wish, as I have already said, I could care less what some old fucks think about me.

I guess respect isn't something that is given on this forum in any way whatsoever. I don't try to demean anyone, and post relevant and thought provoking articles in the EOTH without talking shit about anyone or attacking anyone personally. I came here as someone looking for pron, leached for a short while, upgraded to gold status and started saying thanks at the very least. I have only recently started posting threads in the EOTH within the last 9 months maybe. I have also posted considerable amounts of pron in the movies section.

You guys have already drove off ddoubleez and probably several other regular posters with the constant amount of shit-talking and degrading remarks about him and other personally. I'm sure most of you on this board like the fact the people like him and myself are being driven away from this board, because we challenge your old, conventional, conservative views. It's funny that you guys consistently go on about how liberal forums are the devil, when the majority of you act exactly like the kids in those very forums. Later everyone, I respect and honor everyone's opinion.

fmb

Sometimes, having a thread you'd like seen as serious and thoughtful located in the BOTH can cause some serious problems. I agree the EOTH can be very strict with allowances for ribbing and such; also, I noticed you started this thread in the EOTH.

Many younger people DO get news from show like those on Comedy Central. I don't have a problem with that; it's nice to know the MSM has competition and may have to review how and what type/kind of news the network is focused on. Hell, I'm an ardent supporter of having nuclear weapons; however, I subscribe to several anti-nuke newsletters and visit many of their websites. I get a point of view I can't normally get and it helps me understand why these persons feel the way they do.

I've said this before and I'll say it one more time: As long as voters are on seemingly opposite ends of the spectrum on issues, the politicians will continue to get away with the bullshit foisted upon the citizenry. The chasm between folks like you (93Crawler) and the others here completely works for the politicians and totally against any changes wanted by a majority of voters.

In China and other countries, if you want change, you get beaten and/or have your family detained and given the "bright light" treatment. This prevents common ground from forming and a united front being presented to the government. Here, we have the politicians use our press, freedom of speech, and our individual passions to polarize the voters. In either system, there is a determined effort to stifle or prevent change.

We can continue with our chest poking, or we could sit down over some beers and find common ground. Who knows? Maybe then the real issues facing our country will get some attention as the incumbents are being voted out.

I'm gonna get a beer. Anybody need one?

licupssy

Most sensible thing I've read in this thread. Hit me!!!!

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Krasch

Hey I'm all for adult beverages of most any sort including beer.

You'll have to forgive me though for sticking to European or Canadian beers. I got too spoiled growing up in Canada appreciating quality beer to enjoy most American brews, although Michelob Dry was almost Canadian in quality IMHO.

YaMon

"Old conservative views" aren't a bad thing. There is a reason we have a constitution to begin with, you know?

Like BDJ has stated many times: "fiscally conservative" is what a lot of people believe in. Obama is incredibly naive, if not incredibly stupid, in this area. It would be disastrous to apply the tax increases he is proposing. The jobs he plans to add are government jobs (tax $$$ supported and draining). He supports unionization, which is a major factor for originally pushing private industry jobs offshore to begin with.

I suggest you stick with EOTH if you don't like the personal attacks.

Thar be sharks in BOTH. If you can't swim with us, you're going to get devoured.

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