YaMon

Let's be totally fucking honest here:



/inane thinking

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93crawler

Nah, I don't really like Al Franken, who else do you have? I think the only thing he did that was funny was the "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and gosh darnit, people like me," skit on SNL. I'm still wondering why this thread was moved?

joerockhead

HAhaa, you posted on the 28th that McCain was a bigger Flip Flopper then Obama to date. But, as of now, I think your Lovely Obama has taken the lead.

Obama has changed his tune of "Reducing the Military" to "Increasing the Army and NG".
Obama had said he would Vote Against the bill to keep the TelComs safe from action for the spying shit. He voted FOR it (just like most of the other Dems!)

As for other important Topics -
McCain wants to keep the Bush tax cut plan, one that actually give Middle income people a small break. Yes, the RICH do get more money back, but on overage, they still pay More money Percentage Wise!!!!
Obama wants to give everyone a $1000 Tax credit, that equals $250 in a real tax break, $240 less then the current Bush tax break. So I LOSS money under Obama.
Obama wants to raise Capital Gains Tax from 15% to 28%. Is that not a RAISE?

Obama and the Rest of the Dems do not want us to Drill for more Oil, anywhere!! They LIE and say it will take 10 years and save us only pennies if we Drill in the Gulf.
Fact - it would be 2 years, as the infrastructure is already there, and Many countries are already Drilling there! As for the Pennies, it is not 1 or 2 like they say, but 14 to 18 PER GALLON!!! (that is $2.80 per 20 gallon tank - 1/2 gallon of Milk).

Obama is trying to SCARE everyone that the Economy has hit the Shitter!!
True it has gone down, but the last Quarter still had a 1% Gain!
Yes, Gas is High! (What is Obama doing about it????)
Yes, Housing is in the Shitter, People went crazy with the Variable rates, and some of the companies lied. But I as a tax payer should not have to pay for the idiots who over extended.
Heath Care - It has sky rocketed because of Insurance - Obama wants to tax us to give it to the under income people that do not have to work for health care
Social Security - Hell, Congress has Jacked that so bad. What is Obama going to do for us? I have not heard anything from either candidate.
Medicare - Same as the Healthcare, except that the Number's needing it has risen. People are living longer and many more around now. What is Obama's plan?

Sizze of Government - Obama already said he will increase it! He wants to have control of so many more things! I think the Government has gotten way too fucking controling as it is, we DO NOT need more.

And last - I want to know if Obama is Willing to go to War??
Would he attack Iran if they attack Israel?
Would he attack if they tried to close the Gulf?

If he is NOT willing to go to War, and the Enemy knows that, then they have NOTHING to fear by attacking us!!!! Willing to go, and Actually Going, are two different things!
and No, I do not want to go to War with Iran. It would be costly both in lives, and financially. Plus, Oil would truly Sky Rocket then, and that would ruin many other countries.

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YaMon

Here you go: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3638710&page=1

Copy and paste didn't work. The jest of it is that Obamamama wants to remove the cap on social security tax on people that make more than $97,000 a year. I believe it is at 6.8% now. By removing the cap, the tax could double, and what's more (and not mentioned a lot of the time) is the employer is required to match what the employee is taxed.

Yep! Typical Democrat: "STICK IT TO THE RICH!" YEAHHHHHH!!!!!!

This fuck whole stinks of organized bullshit labor so bad. Great thinking fuck stick; increase taxes on the rich. In this economy, talk about not only pouring salt on a wound, but add in lime juice and rubbing alcohol as well

Go back to Reagnomics where taxes on such things like Capital Gains were executed. Create incentive for the rich (who are primarily employers) and watch the economy grow by people with money willing to invest more, buy more, create more opportunity. Tax them up the ass and watch how quick those pocketbooks close up.

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CD

Ok ok everyone. I'm going to put out my opinion on the last few posts...

1) History has shown that if the rich (employers aka large companies) are left unchecked with little to no taxation, they will completely run over the workers to the point that both sides eventually fail. This is why the tax code has taxed the wealthy more then the poor and middle class.
2) By over taxing the rich or businesses, you effectively make it harder for start up businesses to take hold, and an increase in workforce to occur. The higher taxes prevent/slow growth, and possibly lead to companies looking overseas.

So basically I've heard and seen these two sides argue back and forth that their side is right, and right now I'm proposing that we need to find a balance. We can't have big business run over the workers but we also need to make sure that they are taken care of enough to be able to put money into the hands of the employees so that they can in turn put it into the other big companies to complete the cycle. Now before you start throwing numbers around, let me ask anyone that has posted up numbers or will post them up to explain their background in economics on a national and global scale. There are so many variables to take into consideration that the specific percents used tug at emotions more then they remind you of that graduate level economics class you had a few years back at MIT or Harvard.



If Obama's tax plan helps the economy to get back to the days when it was worth a shit, I doubt it would hurt you. Remember what I said earlier? The percent that it SHOULD be is better left to the people that make big bucks deciding that sort of stuff. I don't know where it should be, and maybe you are right that 28% is too high, but it's also possible that 15% is too low.


I could easily counter and say that if McCain wins and continues to keep Bush's failed tax policy that with the increased oil output, his increase in inflation would actually mean that you'd pay more for a half gallon of milk. Oh, and if it's the Dem's fault, why was that put into effect by Bush Sr.?


Last time I checked, increased inflation, increased foreclosures, and an undervalued US dollar actually does mean the economy is in trouble. What's also funny is that you and others say Obama isn't qualified because he doesn't have the experience and hasn't been there long enough, and then you say that he should have all the answers about the high gas prices and get something done in Congress. Well guess what, he was the only sane person to say no to the gas tax holiday over Summer (which is smart since it was a retarded idea to begin with), so at least he isn't trying to trick Americans into a bad idea. Social Security has been Jacked way before the Dems took control... hell, that has been a bad situation for many years, so don't try to point the finger at the Dems, when even McCain is ashamed of how much the Rep Congress spent leading up to the shift.


In the last 24 years, the Reps have increased the size of government far more then the Dems.


Iran knows that any attack on Israel would result in a swift counterattack by not just us but many other countries. They know that although they have a decent sized military, they would get raped bad if they tried anything drastic. Explain something to me... if McCain wins and Iran does something like closing the Gulf and McCain responds by declaring war with them... what kind of outcome do you think will happen when Russia backs them up?

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joerockhead

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Yeah, you are right. Lets go ahead and pay the extra money and hope it works out under he Obama plan. He may have some good ideas, and they may just work.
so, yeah, I will not be too upset when he Does raise the tax on the rich far more then the rest of us.
And as for the Capitol Gains tax, maybe 15% is too low, but why doesn't he just say raise it to 20%?? 28% is over 1/4 of your profit, do you REALLY want to give Uncle Sam more then 1/4 of YOUR hard earned money???
And as far as " people that make big bucks deciding that sort of stuff", hell, they have not gotten it too correct yet.



The Dems want everyone to believe that drilling will only save 1 or 2 cents per gallon, while we find alternatives.
I say WHY? Why can't we do both??? I agree, we DO need alternatives. But why can we not get a bit of a break on Gas prices also? It is just a scare tactic by the Democrats. They are the ones saying drilling off shore will not help. And that is a flat out lie!
So, that part IS the Dems fault


where did I blame the Democrats???? Read my post, and the quote, it says CONGRESS!!!! I blame both parties equally!! so do not push that I said Dems!
And the Democratic Congress these last two years have added tons of BS spending bills on to the Iraq bill knowing that Bush will not veto it. So they are just as guilty of poor wasteful spending as the Republicans A-Holes. Both Parties are wasteful in Congress!


1st - if Iran attacked Israel: That is my question to Obama, WOULD he attack Iran??? I am not so sure. Clinton Pussied out when terrorists attacked the USS Cole and Kobar towers. What would Obama do? We know what McCain would do!

2nd - you do NOT need to declare War on Iran if they try to close the gulf. Just wipe out the Iranian Navy in about 1 day (max) with just One of our Carrier groups in the gulf, and it will be reopened.

3rd - You do NOT have to go to War, but you do have to be willing to go to War if needed. Is Obama WILLING to go to War?? Again, if the enemy knows you are not willing to go to War, they have NOTHING to fear, and will do a lot more damage.
Everyone knows going to War with Iran would cause HUGE problems not just for the USA, but the World. Since Iran is the #2 in Oil Exports for the World, that would cause problems that would create some serious chaos.

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YaMon

Listen. The bottom line is that if Obamamama gets in, the taxes we will incur will be unfucking real.

So many on this board are not "wealthy". So what the fuck does it matter to them to watch "wealthy" people get hit by more taxation?

I love the fact that the Democratic Party loves to pander to Americans as the "working man/woman's party" and act like Robin Hood by taking from the rich and giving it to the poor. Welfare, the poor, people who make bad decisions in life (protecting people in foreclosure, anybody?). The democratic party is the biggest combatant against Social Darwinism ever! Protect the weak and punish the strong.

Fuck that. I don't want MY kids to learn the message that it's okay NOT to bust your ass and EARN a good living! That they SHOULDN'T become entrepreneurs.

I like Mike Huckabee's take on the tax code:

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elfoozo

And by bust your ass you mean sailing around the harbor on business days while your minimum wage employee's hump away back at the company just hoping for that nickel raise promised to them. I'm ready and waiting to hear about your personal triumph of how you put yourself through college working as a drywaller, mason, sewer cleaner or some other hard labor / disgusting job so you could get that business degree and form the company that is now providing your children the good life. I love a good success story.

thecowboy

That's a pretty tall claim from someone who knows him from a few thousand posts on a website.

YaMon

Cowboy got it right. You're going to make an assumption that I am some entitlement bitch based on some posts and a couple pictures online?

Let me dispel your misguided summations tool shack;

I have worked every shit position in my company starting at 7 years old (yes, 7 years old). I spent summers sweeping warehouses and truck yards until I was old enough (12) to work on the dock, where I unloaded containers and trailers DURING THE SUMMER when it was 90+ degrees outside (figure what that equates to in the nose of a metal ocean container). I worked into the office learning dispatch and routing. Into the rate department. Maintenance department. Then up to Safety Director when I was 18. I fucked around working and partying for three years, then got my shit together and got a B.A. (while working). Bailed out and dove into film and video (a hobby turned profession). Established an S Corporation and did industrial and corporate video and editing freelance for a few years before diving back into sales and marketing for my family's business again. Got my Master's while working as Vice President.

The boat? Yeah. That picture you're referring to was my birthday. I took one day off and decided to make my boat a mobile office for the day.

Not sure how many entitlement people you've been around, but I've been around a few, and the path I laid out above doesn't quite fit that mold.

If I had a dime for every fuck that thinks and assumes the way you do elfoolzo [sic], I could have put myself through college many times over



And just for the record; if, and I mean IF, someone has the opportunity to have their school paid for and focused solely on that and achieved great success at academia and was able to better themselves from there, and they didn't accept the support, I'd call that FUCKING FOOLISH! If I give MY kids the opportunity (and I am) to have their college (B.A., Master's, PhD, etc.) paid for so they can focus on enriching themselves, then FUCKING A, good for them.

But then I guess I'll have to prepare them to hear shit from envious fuck knobs like you

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elfoozo

Wow, clever. Made fun of my screen name. Original.


And by assumption you must mean; make a pointed remark on the basis of how you've portrayed your personal life publicly??
You got a lot of pent up sand in that mangina.

How so? Were you anywhere in the lineup of folks who'd lose their job if the company took a beating? If you wanted your schedule changed around to suit something important to you like say, your surfing habits, where you knew your employer wouldn't give a shit about how it mattered to you and would find someone else to do your job; would you hesitate on something like grounds you might face disciplinary action? You mention leaving the company and going back - as a VP?? Joe America is lucky to even be considered back in to a company at any level. But you feel you somehow earned it rather than own up to the fact that family takes care of their own? I'm not faulting you for that, just call it what it is guy.

Hardly envious. Not even close to envious. It was an interesting story - but it doesn't paint a portrait of a guy who busted his ass knowing that if he didn't give 110% he'd be picking up soda bottles to buy a can of tuna to feed his family for a week.

michaeljohn

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