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Old 05-21-2008, 11:27 AM   #1
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ilegal immigration (USA)

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hello guys and ladies and bitc*es like me:

It's time to open pandora's box!

What is your point of view regarding illegal immigration in the USA?

My point of view is FUCK the INS!! , if they are so inept and corrupt, live with it !!

You do not want them? well send them back (if you catch them, jajaja INS is so inept ) and destroy our economy !!

but who will work in our farms? who will cook our food at restaurants? where will we find cheap labor for our big companies? who will be babysitting our kids? who will fill those higher positions in companies? and on .. on on... and most important who are we going to blame for everything (besides the terrorists)?

and last, yes, there is some bad apples... but that happens in every social group..

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Old 05-21-2008, 02:31 PM   #2
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Re: ilegal immigration (USA)

I don't agree at all with the whole "they do jobs americans won't do" argument. American's only won't do the job for the amount of money that illegals are paid. Pay me enough and I'll do probably about anything.
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Old 05-21-2008, 03:09 PM   #3
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Re: ilegal immigration (USA)

if Americans would do any job for the amount they want, would not that mean higher prices on the products? would you pay 10 dlls for four tomatos? (jajaja, I'm from Indiana, I know is tomatoes)

I believe that you would do any kind of job, even if it is at a lower wage if needed (as example on a desperate situation), but would you agree that is not the case with the general population? it is a lot easier and convenient to receive food stamps, unemployment, welfare, medicare, etc..?


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Old 05-21-2008, 03:11 PM   #4
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Re: ilegal immigration (USA)

I dont like the fact that they use some of the services my taxes pay for, but one of those is the border patrol, and their brilliant fence, that is just as much of a waste as anything. I also think that anyone should be allowed to live wherever they want, so long as they are a contributing member of society. Its human nature to want to move into a better place to make our lives better, we've done it for millions of years. God forbid we let people actually persue this.

The perverbial "rich old white guys" are just afraid that if they let in more people with different ideals, they will loose their seats of power, and citizens will stop putting up with their shit.
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Old 05-21-2008, 03:16 PM   #5
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Re: ilegal immigration (USA)

do you know they pay taxes? they get deductions like anybody else in the pay stubs... (except for the ones getting paid cash)

do you know they pay local, and state taxes > same as before

do you know they pay taxes for services (as food, cars, houses, etc)?

So if you mean by services things like welfare I agree with you. If you mean by services as school I disagree because at least here in Indiana public schools are founded by local and propriety taxes... so that would be like saying... I pay propriety taxes, I have no kids, why should I pay for somebody's kids education?

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Old 05-21-2008, 03:19 PM   #6
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Re: ilegal immigration (USA)

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The perverbial "rich old white guys" are just afraid that if they let in more people with different ideals, they will loose their seats of power, and citizens will stop putting up with their shit.


what is not that something that was discussed on the film from Moore? I think Fahrenheit 911? but it was more general about American population looking to be afraid of someone to inspire unity? (indians, british, blacks, japanese, middle easter citizens, illegals immigrants)

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Old 05-21-2008, 03:22 PM   #7
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Re: ilegal immigration (USA)

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I dont like the fact that they use some of the services my taxes pay for, but one of those is the border patrol, and their brilliant fence,


LOL.. a fence... an intelligent fence !! I seen people crossing thru the border bridges with the help of a very "inattentive" border patrol officer... why to jump over a fence when it is easier to get help from the border patrol?

It remind me of the great wall of china... indestructible and big... was a lot easier to bribe the custodians and get to the other side


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Old 05-21-2008, 03:37 PM   #8
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Re: ilegal immigration (USA)

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Originally Posted by Juana!
do you know they pay taxes? they get deductions like anybody else in the pay stubs... (except for the ones getting paid cash)

do you know they pay local, and state taxes > same as before

do you know they pay taxes for services (as food, cars, houses, etc)?

So if you mean by services things like welfare I agree with you. If you mean by services as school I disagree because at least here in Indiana public schools are founded by local and propriety taxes... so that would be like saying... I pay propriety taxes, I have no kids, why should I pay for somebody's kids education?

Juana!


It depends on who they work for as to if they get taxes taken out. Most people pay them under the table, that’s the majority of the ones I know about at least. Anyone should be able to come into America, work hard, and get a decent wage. Where the problem comes in is that most of these families have multiple children, their paychecks may have taxes taken out, but with them making minimum wage and below, the taxes received are minimal. So the burden is left to be paid by people who make more money. This wouldn’t be as much of a problem if our economy was in a better state, but our government tends to point the finger at illegal immigrants causing our problems, rather than themselves.
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Old 05-21-2008, 03:42 PM   #9
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Re: ilegal immigration (USA)

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LOL.. a fence... an intelligent fence !! I seen people crossing thru the border bridges with the help of a very "inattentive" border patrol officer... why to jump over a fence when it is easier to get help from the border patrol?

It remind me of the great wall of china... indestructible and big... was a lot easier to bribe the custodians and get to the other side


Juana!


This is why the government is trying to get the military so involved, because unlike soldiers, border guards arent subject to the UCMJ, and dont go through the same brainwashing camp (boot camp) that our military does. I was in the Marines, so I know the things they force onto our young men and women to believe, and you dont dare go against their orders, no matter how immoral and wrong.
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Old 05-21-2008, 08:27 PM   #10
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Re: ilegal immigration (USA)

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I don't agree at all with the whole "they do jobs americans won't do" argument. American's only won't do the job for the amount of money that illegals are paid. Pay me enough and I'll do probably about anything.

I don't agree with that comment. If some people make it work with those wages, why are "americans" so reluctant to put a little elbow grease instead of sitting at home getting welfare? Is it because america has made it easier to be lazy?
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Old 05-21-2008, 08:30 PM   #11
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Re: ilegal immigration (USA)

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This is why the government is trying to get the military so involved, because unlike soldiers, border guards arent subject to the UCMJ, and dont go through the same brainwashing camp (boot camp) that our military does. I was in the Marines, so I know the things they force onto our young men and women to believe, and you dont dare go against their orders, no matter how immoral and wrong.

did you also know that Black Water is now trying to aim for a piece of border protecting down in So Cal?
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Old 05-21-2008, 11:09 PM   #12
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Re: ilegal immigration (USA)

Most of the Illegals DO NOT PAY TAXES!!!! They get paid under the Table, in Cash!!

SO, NO, they are not contributing.

Also, Most of the Illegals are decent hard working people.

The problem is that there are still a CRAP Load of worthless Freeloading law breaking jackasses, sucking up MY Tax Dollars. Ass holes that do not have insurance on their POS that they drive like Idiots, and have no Medical, so they get free Shit.

Those are the worthless Fucks.

And why the FUCK do I have to Choose between English and Spanish? Why do I have to see a Sign in BOTH fuckin Languages???
Learn Fuckin English, this is FUckin America!!!

But Hey, thanks for mowing the parks for us, since Daddy's Little teenage White boy is too fuckin lazy to learn a real job and learn how to earn money.

Thanks, I feel better.
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Old 05-21-2008, 11:28 PM   #13
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Re: ilegal immigration (USA)

America HAS made it too easy to get by without earning your way. Welfare, S-CHIP medical programs, blanket extensions for unemployment, and a host of other programs can allow someone to sit on his/her backside while others work, pay taxes, and foot the bill for their laziness. It's our own doing.

Why do we have such a problem with many people coming into our country illegally? Because we HAVE jobs that pay a decent wage; because the wages and jobs in their home countries are inadequate and will not support families. Hell, if I could look across a border into a country with jobs, lots of food, and comfort while my family was hungry, I'd be over, under, or around the fence in a heartbeat. What these people find here is a hell of a lot better than what they had back home.

Does it make it right? No. But I think there is a solution tied up with our crazy, difficult to understand, immigration policies and practices.

I do like that this has shown a bright light on some of our lazy ass countrymen!

BTW, I still haven't gotten used to the combination English/Spanish signs. Is this what it has been like for a long time in the French/English Quebec, Canada area??? I think I am beginning to feel their pain.
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Old 05-22-2008, 12:32 AM   #14
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Re: ilegal immigration (USA)

Yeah that's pretty much the case there, except that the separatists in Quebec would prefer French only signs, and indeed have some laws to that effect as I recall, even in predominately English areas of Quebec. But god forbid someone tried to do the reverse in English-speaking Canada, we'd have a civil war...

The separatists, of course, are pretty much despised anywhere else outside Quebec, so if the USA gets to get rid of their illegal "immigants" (To quote Moe Syzlack) I say Canada gets the right to ship the separatist vermin back to the Eiffel Tower where they'll be a lot happier...
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Old 05-22-2008, 09:54 PM   #15
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Re: ilegal immigration (USA)

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Originally Posted by joerockhead
Most of the Illegals DO NOT PAY TAXES!!!! They get paid under the Table, in Cash!!

SO, NO, they are not contributing.

Also, Most of the Illegals are decent hard working people.

The problem is that there are still a CRAP Load of worthless Freeloading law breaking jackasses, sucking up MY Tax Dollars. Ass holes that do not have insurance on their POS that they drive like Idiots, and have no Medical, so they get free Shit.

Those are the worthless Fucks.

And why the FUCK do I have to Choose between English and Spanish? Why do I have to see a Sign in BOTH fuckin Languages???
Learn Fuckin English, this is FUckin America!!!

But Hey, thanks for mowing the parks for us, since Daddy's Little teenage White boy is too fuckin lazy to learn a real job and learn how to earn money.

Thanks, I feel better.


You've just let out the ignorant American attitude that is giving our country such a bad image in the rest of the world. Its not your fault, completely. Most Americans are this way due to the way they were raised, and their lack of knowledge and experience with anything else. I'm curious as to where you were raised, and if you ever lived in another area in the US? I believe you said you were in the Navy, but I am talking about living somewhere and not living on base, and for longer than 1-2 years. I ask this because I look at my parents now, who are in their late 40's early 50's, and see just how uneducated they are about how other people in different places live and function. They were both born in Georgia and never left, and raised by strict southern Baptist parents who were the same way, their way or the highway. I don’t want to hijack this thread, sorry, I will get back on topic.

Let me justify that last paragraph.

You curse them for not having insurance and for being lawbreaking jackasses. But red blooded American's do the same thing, if not worse. Just because a person is born here doesn’t make it right for them to abuse the system either. Americans that do this are the real worthless fucks, most illegal’s are just here to make a better life for themselves and their families.


Why is it that so many American's are so angry about having to learn another language? It is good for you to learn and understand other peoples cultures and ways, and their language is one of them. Think back to when people first started to immigrate here, every other person spoke a different language, think about how difficult it would have been back then. No one is telling you that you have to learn Spanish, but wouldn’t you rather someone who didn’t speak or read English be able to find what they need without bugging you? Just because these words are being printed and added to our phone menus doesn’t mean they are going to take over, you will be ok buddy.

Not quite sure how to reply to your last paragraph, but I will try. I assume you are referring to back in the 50’s and 60’s when little Johnny grab-a-crotch had nothing better to do than try to earn a nickel by cutting Mr. Browns lawn. Now, you call those same kids lazy and no knowledge about how to make a real buck. In some small way, you are correct, but its not their fault. Look at everything kids have to do now to take up their time; computers, internet, gaming……and that’s just electronic related things. Look at all the sports and activities we have now that kids didn’t have back then; snowboarding, skateboarding, drag racing….the list can go on and on. So, if you want to blame someone for not teaching kids these days how to earn a real dollar, blame the parents for not making them. I got my first job when I was 13, during summer break. I worked for my step dad’s drywall/stucco company, I was probably the only kid in my grade that actually did that, the others were off doing fun, enjoyable things.

America is never going back to 1950, you old farts need to embrace this and move on.
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