Lev

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As the November election is ticking closer and closer to us and as we try ever so hard to get Ron Paul to win the September nomination at the GOP convention in St.Paul, I am often caught asking myself: what will happen to the Ron Paul supporters once November is through and the future President is already decided?

Many people, some pundits, some bystanders, have tried to classify us. Who is he, John Q. Ronpaulsupporter? Is he a Nazi, a truther, an anarchist, a Black Nationalist, a secessionist, a Liberal in disguise sent by George Soros to take over Grand Ole Party?

Of course, the answer is yes and no. Ok, so none of us are here because George Soros sent us to destroy Republican party, but as Ron Paul himself pointed out, we are just people who are tired of the status quo and want a serious second choice.

I will stress his point again, if only in a different verbiage. We are a bunch of folks who just want to be left the hell alone. The desire to be able to do one's own thing, whatever that may be, is what makes a black man and a white supremacist, a two times Bush voter and a bleeding hear liberal, a socialist and anarchist and a sworn atheist and a Bible believing church going before every meal praying Christian sit at one table and talk.

So far, Ron Paul is the only one in my recent memory who has been able to do exactly that. This is why it is so hard for people to really identify Ron Paul, because along with members of truly fringe counter culture underground sociopolitical currents, Ron Paul supporters are also house wifes, church pastors military veterans.

My question is: what will unite us all after it is all done? Please don't say "freedom". It is a beautiful, inspiring, but otherwise completely meaningless word. There is a Presidential candidate whose entire campaign is built on big, inspiring and empty words. You all know who I'm talking about.

I have raised this question in my Ron Paul meetup group. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to receive any coherent answer. I have been told that all of the politics are local, but my issues that are personally important to me such as illegal immigration, war on drugs and taxation and FIAT money, cannot be solved with an old sheriff out and a new one in. The local railroad commissioner or a mayor of my town of 200000 people is pretty powerless about this as well. This is why I can't really feel any use in participating in local politics because these issues are deep and trace to another city that is not in TX if you get my drift.

But let's suppose that mini-Ron Paul is running for the mayor of Dallas, whose jurisdiction my city is under. What good is our movement when we are fractured amongst ourselves on so many issues? What if he wants to get really medieval on illegals and some of us, like me, for example, feel that that issue is approached fundamentally wrong? What if he wants to let out all the non-violent drug offenders out of Dallas Co jail and some of you think that all drugs should be illegal and people using them should be punished?

Do you see what I'm saying? We can't even decide if Ron Paul jumping the GOP ship over to a third party is a good idea. Some of us say we need to change the Republican party. I personally feel it's a lot of crud, but, for unity sake, I am playing along. I am one of the delegates for the Texas State Republican Convention and if GOP is the vehicle to get Ron Paul elected, hooray to that. Some of us advocate joining a different party or even create one of our own. I am all for the former and not for the latter.

I think most of you understand the core of my question. So I will repeat it, only in a slightly different manner.

Ron Paul is the glue uniting people of very different and polar opposit views. What will be the glue to unite us ALL after the election?

Juan.©amaney

Hate for the government whoever is elected. Trully a group of idiots, I fear for my country.

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fmb

You speak of being fractured and not having a true, dedicated, united focus. Without those things, Ron Paul supporters will remain on the outskirts. Get focused; support something unanimously; and once you have legitimacy, go after other issues.

Lev

I know that, the trouble is, I'm afraid I'm in the minority.
Do you, by any chance, know the answer to the original and central question of the thread?

fmb

What many forget is politics is as much as job as a proctologist has. Most don't understand politics has absolutely nothing to do with what's right for a country as what's right for the party, for the state, or for the individual POLITICIAN. Parties do not matter; causes are nothing; it all boils down to the collection and application of power (politics).

I didn't truly understand this until I was doing some work for the Capital Police and was able to view the real reason why there can never, ever be a three party system. Hell, there are only 2 cloakrooms; you must swear allegiance to a party to even walk through the door to the senate or house floors.

In politics, idealism will get you no where. Gather together, find a common cause, then move on from there. Until then, supporters are spinning wheels.

fmb

You speak of the "glue" holding people together. Nothing, not even elements, are held together without some common reason. Hydrogen has an electron in the outer shell; oxygen needs two electrons. Hell, the two gases have something in common; by helping one another out, we get dihydrogen monoxide... H2O.

There isn't glue without commanality and/or a need.

Krasch

Barring the question of how Ron Paul is at all relevant at this point since the number of delegates that support him is so fricken miniscule and has been for an exceedingly long time (meaning evidentally most people don't care for him), the true believers will inevitably look for something else to fill their time.

Lev

dude, that was the point of my freaking post. HOW are we supposed to find a common cause, that's what I'm asking.

Krasch

I don't think there necessarily IS an answer for you Lev.

With supporters of such disparate idealogical viewpoints, and seemingly somewhat extreme ones from your description, even if you find another "Ron Paul" to get behind, he/she is destined to remain on the outskirts just as Ron Paul himself has. You'd likely be doomed to repeat the Ron Paul experience all over again.

Now find a cause the majority of people support that you agree with, and get behind THAT cause, now you might actually get somewhere.

Not that I don't value the whole iconoclast mindset.. Hell, in high school I was THE iconoclast at our school, but it doesn't really get you anywhere when the herd is moving in another direction and they ultimately are the ones who will decide who becomes President.

ImIn06GT

it doesnt matter who we vote for. they already know who is going to be the next president of US. I remember when Al gore and bush were running for president. toward the end Gore understood that he is not going to win regardless that majority ppl voted for gore and everybody was supporting him. so i say that because, toward the end when he understood he is not going to win no matter what, i remember he said "May god help america".. America is not a free country, america is a big corporation, thats what it is. Everybody is trying to make money of the next man no matter what it takes, no ethics what so ever.

Krasch

The biggest problem with Gore was that while he understood he wasn't going to win in the end, he couldn't simply let it go but forced that ridiculous farce in Florida.

And of course history repeats itself as Hilary can't let it go either despite the fact that Obama pretty much has it sewn up now. He has more delegates, plus it would appear he's generally considered more electable in November by Democrats.

fmb

Lev, look at some of the things Krasch posted. Find a cause many (including non-Paul supporters) can believe in. Make your case, win, or at least make a point; and move onto something a little larger. You can't take apart a building without a starting point. Sometimes, you must remove a few bricks at a time.

I'm glad to see you thinking about things now, well before the next presidential election; planning can never begin too early