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Old 04-08-2008, 07:09 PM   #1
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So, there are BLACK leaders (NAACP). And it is Aok to have this, in fact, if you are a prominent black, you are strongly encouraged to be a part of the NAACP.
Yet, White people cannot have these kinds of organizations to help better the White people in America.
Sounds kinda Racist to me.

And this story is LONG, but it is one "African-American" complaining, while other "African-American" men supportive. So, basically, the story is to try and make McCain look bad.




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Oscar Tillman heads the Phoenix area branch of the NAACP and is a former statewide president of the group. He has been a leader of Arizona’s small, tight-knit African-American community for decades.
So it comes as something of a surprise to learn the name of one person, over all those years, with whom he has never spoken. It is the state’s senior senator better known these days as the presumptive Republican presidential nominee.
John McCain, said Tillman, “has pretty well zero relationship with the African-American community that I know of.”
“I don’t recall him ever attending any function with the NAACP,” Tillman added. “Each year we send them an invitation [to an annual banquet], and each year they say no.”
Interviews with black civic and business leaders in Arizona found no one who suggested that McCain holds racial animus. And McCain can point to some warm personal and political associations with blacks, some of whom cited his responsiveness to their concerns when they approached him on official business.
But the widespread perception of activists in the state’s traditional civil rights organizations and the African-American press is that McCain has consistently treated them with indifference.
He had few if any important relationships with these usually Democratic-leaning institutional pillars. The main reason, say leaders of these groups, was that McCain never demonstrated much interest in building them.
“In a word, none,” said Ron Busby, president of the Greater Phoenix Black Chamber of Commerce, when asked to describe the senator’s relationship with Arizona’s African-American community.
In the 10 years that the organization, which represents about 300 black-owned businesses, has been in existence, Busby said McCain has never been to any of its events.
Busy, who owns a large janitorial services firm that cleans businesses, hospitals and the home of the Arizona Cardinals, said his organization is not a traditionally liberal black group.
To the contrary, it would seem tailor-made for the kind of appeals that many Republicans say the party should be making to break the Democratic Party’s historic lock on the black vote the very type of line-crossing politics at which McCain has excelled in other contexts.
“We have African-Americans that are typically affluent, have moved here from other portions of the country, and have our views that are more conservative, at least from a national perspective,” Busby said.
The choice McCain faced in Arizona is familiar to Republican politicians in many states: how much effort to invest in political base-touching with constituencies that they know will vote strongly Democratic under any scenario?
In Arizona, civil rights activists say they get a far more responsive hearing from the state’s junior senator, Republican Jon Kyl.
“I deal with Sen. Kyl’s office,” said Tillman. “Sen. Kyl will get on the phone and call you.”
But some Arizona blacks tell a different story, saying McCain has been talking to and helping them for years. Some of these individuals were contacted independently. Others were identified to Politico after McCain allies were told of this story.
“He tries to build liaisons and build relationships across all lines, and he’s been very effective at it,” said Art Mobley, a longtime broadcaster in Phoenix who has known McCain for more than two decades.
Trying to get the first black-owned radio station on the air in 1992, Mobley ran into resistance from the Arizona National Guard, which claimed the signal would cause interference problems.
McCain stepped in, he said, and helped get KMJK on the air.
As for the criticism of some African-American leaders, Mobley said they are grumbling over not being sufficiently courted in ways that some blacks have come to expect as a ritual.
“They expect, unfortunately, symbolic gestures from politicians across the board,” Mobley said. “People need to look at substantive policies.”
Even so, symbolism can prove important in presidential campaigns. This could be especially true if McCain finds himself in a general election contest against Democrat Barack Obama, a campaign in which Obama’s precedent-shattering status would virtually guarantee racial issues a prominent role.

McCain’s discomfort with this kind of touchstone politics underscores a central part of his political persona: He has great difficulty feigning interest in subjects in which he lacks genuine personal interest.
Civil rights organizations are hardly unique in this respect. Whatever the constituency or issue, if McCain doesn’t care deeply about it, his feelings tend to be obvious over time.
Further, McCain spent most of his formative years removed from the racial conflicts that played such a central role in the lives of many people in his generation.
He attended prep school and college at overwhelmingly white institutions before entering the military, one of the few integrated professions in the 1950s. And during much of the country’s racial tumult of the 1960s, McCain was in Vietnam, including 5½ years in a prison cell having little contact with the outside world.

Raising a family, flying jets, trying to stay alive and then crafting a post-POW naval career with grievous war wounds, he simply was not immersed in the great themes of the civil rights era.
McCain touched on his own history with one of his state’s most racially charged issues whether to honor Martin Luther King Jr. with a holiday in a speech last week marking the 40th anniversary of the civil rights leader’s assassination.
He offered deep praise for King’s achievements and acknowledged that he had been mistaken in at first opposing a holiday.
“I was wrong and eventually realized that, in time to give full support for a state holiday in Arizona,” McCain said before a heavily black crowd outside the National Civil Rights Museum in Memphis, drawing cheers after his initial confession had been jeered.
But McCain’s efforts to honor King have not been matched over the years with any attempt to establish connections with black leaders, some say.
“As far as I’ve seen, he has no relationship with the African-American community in Arizona,” said Cloves Campbell Jr., publisher of the Arizona Informant and a Democratic state representative from Phoenix.
“He’s never been to the paper,” said Campbell. “We’ve called to get interviews, but there has never been any response. I’ve never talked to him.”
Founded in 1971 by Campbell’s father, also once a state legislator, the Informant is a weekly that serves the 4 percent of the state’s population that is African-American.
“We’ve had conversations with Kyl several times; we even had [former Rep.] J.D. Hayworth in the office,” said the younger Campbell.
Nor has McCain ever been to his church, Campbell said. Tanner Chapel A.M.E. is the oldest African-American congregation in the state and is located in downtown Phoenix.
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Old 04-08-2008, 07:09 PM   #2
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“I’ve seen Barack Obama more times in person in my life than I’ve ever seen John McCain,” said Campbell, 46, who backs the Illinois senator.
And should New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton edge out Obama for the nomination, Campbell said, it will be very much in McCain’s interest to mend fences.
“You’re going to see a lot of unhappy black people looking for alternatives,” he noted. “The time is right to start talking to people just in case that does happen.”
McCain’s campaign said that the senator has every intention of competing for the black voter, even against Obama.
“The campaign’s outreach efforts are ongoing, and John McCain is proud of his support in the African-American community,” said spokesman Tucker Bounds. “Whether Sen. McCain is advocating a strong national defense, a revitalized economy or more flexibility in education, he is going to find a receptive audience with African-American voters.”
To underscore his desire to do well in a community that traditionally overwhelmingly supports Democrats, McCain will take a high-profile tour of places such as Alabama’s Black Belt and the Watts neighborhood of Los Angeles later this month.
Wes Gullett, a white former McCain staffer in Arizona who is now a top state backer of his old boss, chalked up the animus to mere politics.
“They’re passionately for Barack Obama, a lot of them, so they don’t want to be talking nice about John because it doesn’t help their cause,” he said.
Gullett said McCain worked hard early in his tenure to reach out to Arizona blacks and especially pastors.
But many have passed away since then, he noted, and state politics have grown more partisan.
Still, McCain retains some voices of support in the black faith community.
“He’s fantastic,” said Bishop Henry Barnwell, former pastor of Phoenix’s First New Life Baptist Church, of McCain, noting that the senator had been to his church over the years.
“He’s been very instrumental in assisting us in a number of ways,” said Barnwell, citing McCain’s efforts with congregants stationed at Luke Air Force Base in nearby Glendale.
Now retired, Barnwell served his church for some 40 years and said McCain was a vital ally in his effort to bring the King holiday to Arizona. Mobley, also a mover behind honoring King, similarly praised McCain for his help on the holiday, which the state finally recognized in 1992.
McCain was also friendly with the Rev. Dr. George Brooks Sr., an iconic figure in black Arizona who, as head of the Phoenix-area NAACP and a Presbyterian pastor, led the effort to bring Head Start to the state in the 1960s.
“John McCain is a family friend,” said Brooks’ son, George Brooks Jr. “He and my father had an excellent relationship.”
Yvonne Hunter, a black lobbyist in Phoenix who declined to reveal her partisan leanings, offered an assessment of McCain’s failure to court some black institutions.
“In terms or priorities, it’s just not there,” said Hunter. “But then the majority of African-Americans in Phoenix and Arizona are Democrats.”
Even for McCain allies, the prospect of their friend facing a black candidate this fall has them torn.
After a long pause, Barnwell said he’d support McCain in a matchup against Obama. But Mobley, who has been to McCain’s home and knows his family, said he was unsure.
“I’ve always been supportive of John, but I haven’t made up my mind,” said Mobley, an independent.
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Old 04-08-2008, 09:48 PM   #3
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I've questioned this many many MANY times. But it is long understood (and outdated) that the whites being the majority in everything was the purpose that these clubs were organized.

It might seem unfair to people now a days to read about NAACP, MEChA, and the likes, but there are still such things as the Jewish univeristy around here (name escapes me) and look at the jokes Family Guy has taught us about the jews running the world bank and the media.
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Old 04-09-2008, 12:40 AM   #4
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Of course the flipside is now, depending on where you live, whites are now distinctly the minority, and increasingly so. Yet we'd still be unable to have such an organization like the NAACP without being called racist.
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Old 04-09-2008, 06:41 PM   #5
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You want an all-white club to belong to, go to a NASCAR race, or join the NRA, or dare I say it the KKK. McCain looks bad all on his own, so he doesn't need a racist story, or anything else for that matter to make him look outdated, and out of touch with the majority of society. Are we really thinking about electing a 71 YEAR OLD MAN, who wants to continue in Iraq for the foreseeable future.

Krasch, I find it funny that you think white people are the minority, when below your avatar, it says your from Canada?--hilarious! Sure, mexi's are quickly becoming a major part of society in the southwest, and places like California, but in the rest of the country, whitey is still the dominant majority--especially in Canada! Furthermore, are you really even from Canada, because you seem to have entirely too much to say about the American political process, I don't think I've seen you post anywhere else?!
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Old 04-09-2008, 07:37 PM   #6
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Of course the flipside is now, depending on where you live, whites are now distinctly the minority, and increasingly so. Yet we'd still be unable to have such an organization like the NAACP without being called racist.

In this country as a whole, whites are the majority. In the global sense, we are a minority. Sure you can say in some areas, whites are a minority, but a small area has a very difficult time applying their situation to the national picture.
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Old 04-09-2008, 07:49 PM   #7
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I've questioned this many many MANY times. But it is long understood (and outdated) that the whites being the majority in everything was the purpose that these clubs were organized.

It might seem unfair to people now a days to read about NAACP, MEChA, and the likes, but there are still such things as the Jewish univeristy around here (name escapes me) and look at the jokes Family Guy has taught us about the jews running the world bank and the media.



Touro College, they have it in NYC, Nevada and Cali. Not for nuttin but it is a good school for law or business
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Old 04-09-2008, 11:28 PM   #8
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It doesn't matter where you go or what color, ethnicity, etc. you are. Someone, somewhere, may be impeding your abilities. Could be Bosnia, most anywhere in Africa, your religion (think Sunni and Shiite), or smalltown USA.

The NAACP and other organizations were frowned upon when founded; however, the early leaders stuck the hassles out and have large organizations today. What will happen when us whities become the minorities in some portions of the USA? Expect the same hassles others had when trying to establish a supporting organization.

Unfortunately, this is the process every group goes through. Utopia hasn't arrived.
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Old 04-09-2008, 11:40 PM   #9
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Are whites still the majority or the plurality?

I'm not knocking the jewish universities, or the blacks or the miscelaneous (sp?) I'm sure anything and everything that is trully for the advancement of itself is a good thing.

I'm just against anything that puts down other people/movements/etc.

I left MEChA and their movement because I thought the best way for me to become succesful was NOT to yell "pinche gringos" it was to educate myself and become a big part of functioning society.

Humans segragate themselves by nature. If you are ever in your town and someone else speaks your language, you don't really care....that is unless you are the physical minority. See I live in the barrio...white people are more scarce than a brit with good teeth. But I don't really care when I walk down the street and hear people speak spanish. However, strangely enough, when I vacation in mexico in the not so touristy areas, if I hear someone speak english, it piques my interest and I want to find out where they are from etc. Why?

Same thing if you ever go somewhere where you are forced to be in a room of strangers. You look for people with things in common.
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Old 04-09-2008, 11:56 PM   #10
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Good point, Juan. Maybe it's not who you associate with, but the quality of those you are with.
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Old 04-10-2008, 12:11 AM   #11
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Krasch, I find it funny that you think white people are the minority, when below your avatar, it says your from Canada?--hilarious! Sure, mexi's are quickly becoming a major part of society in the southwest, and places like California, but in the rest of the country, whitey is still the dominant majority--especially in Canada! Furthermore, are you really even from Canada, because you seem to have entirely too much to say about the American political process, I don't think I've seen you post anywhere else?!


First of all this is a free forum for everyone to participate in. Krasch can post all his opinions on American politics, and if you ever see a thread in here about Canadian politics, feel free to post as many times as you want as well. The reason why you don't see much of anything in here except for American politics is that most of this board's members are Americans, your issues have worldwide exposure, and most Americans don't care enough about (or have enough exposure to) foreign affairs so you don't see many topics in here that are not related to the US.

Krasch *did* say that "depending on where you live" white people could be a minority. This is very evident in our area here in BC (Vancouver and surrounding areas) where you can't get on the bus or walk down the street without seeing a bajillion Asian people. But I know that there are regions that are predominantly white. It all depends on where you are. So you guys are basically saying the same thing.

ETA: Last time I checked, Canada was NOT part of the USA - so where do you get off saying that "...in the rest of the country, whitey is still the dominant majority--especially in Canada!"

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Old 04-10-2008, 04:50 AM   #12
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Thank you kulotsalot...

I live in Toronto, which like Vancouver has an inordinately high level of visible minorities. Certainly if you go to more rural areas of Canada you will most definitely find a predominance of white people, but when 1/3 of Canada's entire population lives within 150km of Toronto, it skews the results some. And the reason that the rural areas are mostly white these days is that many of them are exiles from the major cities like Toronto trying to get away from being minorities in their own country. Thanks to the legacy of Pierre Elliot Trudeau's abyssmal concept of multiculturalism, Canada lets in an incredibly huge number of refugees and visible minority immigrants and virtually promotes them to make over the country in their own image.

As for why I post about American politics, I understand just how important for the world and especially in Canada being such major trading partners and close neighbors the effects of what the American political system produces has. Canada may be a great country to live in, but it's not the superpower the U.S. is. We just don't have as much relevance on the world stage anymore up here in Canada, much as we'd like to believe we still do.

Now as to the concept of electing a 71 year old man who want to stay in Iraq for the forseeable future... One, what's wrong with 71? Surely age by and of itself should have about as much relevance for someone's fitness to be President as say, gender or race. And about staying in Iraq, it's entirely possible that leaving before the Iraqi infrastructure can take care of itself would in the long run be worse for the impression the West leaves than staying as an "occupying" force under they can be self-sufficient. One can make valid cases for both options, and no one can know which would be best unless you were able to do both and see. You pays your money and you takes your chances. Six-Five and pick 'em.
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Old 04-10-2008, 04:37 PM   #13
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You want an all-white club to belong to, go to a NASCAR race, or join the NRA, or dare I say it the KKK. McCain looks bad all on his own, so he doesn't need a racist story, or anything else for that matter to make him look outdated, and out of touch with the majority of society. Are we really thinking about electing a 71 YEAR OLD MAN, who wants to continue in Iraq for the foreseeable future. ...........!


You have not been to a NASCAR race in a while, there are a lot of African-Americans there!!

Hell yeah I am thinking of voting for him!!!!

Who the fuck do I get to choose between???? Hillary??? FUCK NO!! Not even if she was running against Bozo the Clown would I vote for her!!!

Barrack Obama? He has a better shot!! He has some decent idea's, and could possibly lead our country in a good direction.
Other then wanting to RAISE taxes!!!! and immediately leave Iraq.


And as far as Iraq, YES, we have to stick around there for some time. NO, not in the large force, but we cannot just cut and run. That would have major complications and reactions around the world.

Both Hillary and Barrack will cut the crap out of the Military, I do not agree with that.

Yes, McCain maybe Old, but he will most likely get a much young VP (who is actually capable of running the country).

Oh, and if Barrack where to have Hillary as his VP, I won't vote for him.
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Old 04-10-2008, 05:35 PM   #14
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