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03-24-2008, 12:51 AM

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Time for some new blood in here. I had a professor in college years ago that specialized in the PRC. (People's Republic of China, and his doctorate was on China).

He was stating way back then what happens when the world's largest country that consumes so little, demands their share of the pie? Well, they are industrializing and consuming more. Demand is increasing.

Let's try to focus this on what their ideas are. In other words, how will they meet their needs? Wars are fought over shortages. and if we pull out of the middle east, who is going to stop them from going in and taking the oil? I think we have enough threads on energy consumption and how that affects the world economy and welfare, so let's keep that part out.

Trouble in Tibet is in the news, and they still want to reclaim Taiwan. Mongolia? Do they want that? How about Russian Siberia, it's full of people of kin, as are some former USSR republics, like Uzbekistan.

Who would Islam embrace, the Chinese or the west? Or would they hate us both?

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03-24-2008, 04:35 AM	#2
Krasch whore Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 335/0.92 Threads: 2 Friends Network	Re: China I'd suspect they'd hate the Chinese even more than us. At least Christians and Jews are believers of God, even if they consider the "words of God" from those religions incomplete. There is at least SOME common ground. The Chinese, and especially the Communist Chinese would be simply faithless infidels. Any leader worth his/her salt should read Tom Clancy's "The Bear and the Dragon" and be very concerned about the real possibility of life imitating art. After all, the end of "Debt of Honor" has already become reality of a sort.

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03-24-2008, 03:32 PM

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The Three Gorges Dam (simplified Chinese: 长江三峡大坝; traditional Chinese: 長江三峽大壩; pinyin: Chángjiāng Sānxiá Dà Bà) is a Chinese hydroelectric river dam that spans the Yangtze River in Sandouping, Yichang, Hubei, China. The total electric generating capacity of the dam will reach 22,500 megawatts,[1] at which point it will be the largest hydro-electric power station in the world by capacity. This is the biggest project that has been undertaken in China since the Great Wall and the Grand Canal. Several generators are yet to be installed; the dam is not expected to become fully operational until about 2011.

As with many dams, there is a debate over costs and benefits. Although there are potential economic benefits such as flood control and hydroelectric power, there are also concerns about the relocation of over 1,500,000 people who have or will be displaced by the rising waters; siltation that could limit the dam's useful life; loss of numerous valuable archaeological and cultural sites; and significant adverse effects upon animal life.[2]

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BOXING, China — By next autumn, a muddy construction site in a rural part of eastern China will give way to a small power plant that burns cornstalks and cotton stalks to generate electricity for nearby villages and steam for a neighboring industrial complex.
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According to the China Electricity Industry Association, the nation's power generation capacity will grow by 9 per cent this year, while electricity consumption will increase by 12 per cent, reaching 2.09 trillion kilowatt hours this year.

China's fast-growing economy began to suffer from severe power shortages last year, when some 22 provinces, autonomous regions and municipalities had to cut off electricity at peak times.

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Experts warn of hasty nuke plans
By Zhu Boru (China Business Weekly)
Updated: 2004-03-10 15:19

Experts warn that power shortages should not be the excuse for the hasty launching of new nuclear power projects, as the nation decides to speed up the development of its nuclear power sector in order to meet increased demand.

"The decision indicates a fundamental change in the country's development strategy of its nuclear power industry," Han Wenke, vice-director of the Energy Research Institute of the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC), told China Business Weekly last week

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That's why, after his trip to the United States in April, Chinese President Hu Jintao jetted off to Saudi Arabia to shore up ties with the world's largest oil producer. After a brief stop in Morocco, he traveled to Nigeria, where he agreed to a $4 billion investment in infrastructure in return for first dibs on a specific drilling area in the impoverished but oil-rich African nation. He went on to sign a deal for oil exploration rights in Kenya, a country that has only begun to assess its potential oil reserves.

"From the Chinese oil companies' point of view, there’s a sense that (they're) late comers in the oil field," said Erica Downs, an expert on China's energy policy at the Brookings Institution. With many of the world's tapped resources under the influence of major Western oil companies, "they feel that there’s not that much left. So whatever (they) can do to get deals (they'll) do."

As the economic reforms have built steam, China has dumped its communist evangelism in developing countries. Instead, it is now investing in far-flung countries large and small that have oil reserves, vying for a share of new production, courting major Middle Eastern oil producers, and building pipelines to transport the oil to its own energy-hungry industries and car owners.

There is little doubt that we are in a contest with china, right now. They are in the middle of the largest economic gains in history.... They have waged economic warfare with us and are building their military.

As far as their government goes, there are few, if any that are worse to their people, and see them expendable...... They have few rights and choices and their government can manipulate them easily....

They also have a different mentality.. They are communist, so they have been brainwashed to sacrifice for the common good, which really means for their government and view things more as a collective than individuals.... This increases the potential threat, another enemy with suicidal tendencies. Not to mention they are advising counties like north korea and iran....

They may not fight us here, but I assume their will be blood in contests for areas like africa and the middle east..... Nuclear is a small possibility here too.. They will go there weather we are there or not... And the thing about china is they can march there, we have to go by boat! 250 million Chinese soldiers against 30 to 300 thousand Americans...... I don't consider those good odds....

And Russia and China are growing closer, because of our more recent aggression.

China is going green, on a larger scale than we are, because they do not have cooperate interest interfering.....

And China is not going to be interested in pleasing the people of the middle east, any more than they are interested in pleasing their own people.... China will try to take the middle east even more aggressively than we are.....
And I will remind you what all the chinese shit americans are buying is fueling all of this.... My opinion is consume less, by locally, go green, and this problem is put off further into the future..... Clinton should have never opened trade with the chinese, and americans should not buy the products...

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03-24-2008, 09:33 PM	#4
onlyalad whore Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: nowhere, ca Posts: 281/0.31 Threads: 34 Friends Network	Re: China ddoubleez I usually find your rants a bit off over the top for me, but I find you are not too far off here. Until 1988 our imbalance with China was fairly low. http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html But after 88 the numbers get crazy big. As far as worrying about war,that has been going on already. http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/med...t/432/index.htm China is playing one side against the other to try and undercut the rest of the world from oil supplies. I am not saying the US is any better, but we are fairly open about what we do (not completely) and relent to world and US citizen pressure. People in China do not have access to an unfiltered internet. What I mean by that is China has put itself in a position where they don't have to answer to the people in their country and much of the world is in debt to them, so as long as they don't piss off too much of the world at once the US and Europe are not going to raise too much of a fuss. The problem will be not pissing every one off at once. If every country is mad at them they could declare that all debts to China are void. Trade with China would plummet and the world would have to find a new cheap source of goods. Mexico, parts of Africa, or maybe the Philippians. The US has a history of not fucking with countries that have nukes. We invade Afghanistan for harboring terrorists, but now that Pakistan is doing it we must, "respect a nation's right to govern itself". Ok that is quite a rant for me so I think stop.

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