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Old 03-18-2008, 12:34 PM   #1
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Many people feel we are diffenent from animals, and most important WHY we are diffenent.... This thread is not for you if you are not open to evolution, sorry.......

Lets discuss how diffenent....

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Oliver the Monkey Apparently Picks Lock on Cage, Escapes From Mississippi Zoo Again
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TUPELO, Mississippi - A monkey that freed himself two weeks ago from a Mississippi zoo has escaped again, zoo officials said. Tupelo Buffalo Park and Zoo Manager Kirk Nemecheck and other employees noticed the white-faced capuchin's cage open and lock on the ground around 8:30 a.m. Monday.

Oliver and another capuchin named Baby were found wandering nearby. Workers easily captured Baby, but Oliver fled the park headed in the direction of the Tupelo Country Club, Nemecheck said.

"This is the craziest thing I have ever seen," Nemecheck said. "I have heard of chimps and orangutans that can pick locks. I've also heard a guy who swears his raccoon can pick a lock, but I've never heard of a monkey who can pick a lock."
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Old 03-18-2008, 01:14 PM   #2
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Sounds more likely that someone is forgetting to actually LOCK the lock on his cage.

Lock picking isn't quick or easy like they show on TV, and I'd have a lot of trouble believing a monkey is going to sit there and fiddle around with a lock, for several minutes, with no visible results during the process, and expect it to open.

That being said, if the monkey builds himself a set of bolt cutters to open the lock, we'e in real trouble. Those damn dirty apes!
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Old 03-18-2008, 01:34 PM   #3
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Sounds more likely that someone is forgetting to actually LOCK the lock on his cage.

Lock picking isn't quick or easy like they show on TV, and I'd have a lot of trouble believing a monkey is going to sit there and fiddle around with a lock, for several minutes, with no visible results during the process, and expect it to open.

That being said, if the monkey builds himself a set of bolt cutters to open the lock, we'e in real trouble. Those damn dirty apes!


This gets intresting about 1.25 minutes into it....



And why would it sound like someone is forgetting to lock the cage, if or did you skip over the AGAIN part....

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Gorillas, who appear to be the most intellectually limited of the great apes, do not use tools in all of the ways that monkeys use them. Because of their simple diet of nettles and leaves, tools are mostly pointless (Discover, 47). They do use sticks as clubs and as dropped weapons; they also use containers, when in captivity, to store water and they will use anything from leaves to rope as a sponge to draw water from an unreachable locale and they then suck the "sponge" dry (Beck, 67-75). Chimpanzees will do all of those and also use sticks to "reach and rake," and can dismantle various objects by prying and levering. Some chimps can even dismantle entire "play" set-ups within their cages at their own initiative. They will lever cage bars further apart so as to stick their heads between the bars and widen their viewpoints. They will fish for termites, dip for ants, pick locks, use sticks to touch things, which they prefer to avoid (dangerous or unpleasant objects/animals or new chimps), use poles for balancing and climbing, clean themselves with leaves, and bait pretty with food. Orangutans have also been known to braid "straws" into ropes upon which to climb and swing and they will remove inefficient aspects of their tools, such as leaves upon a digging stick


Primates barter, which was our last step before currency....
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Old 03-18-2008, 10:35 PM   #4
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Re: Human vs animal
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This thread is not for you if you are not open to evolution, sorry.......


Excuse you. You do not make the rules around here.
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Old 03-18-2008, 10:40 PM   #5
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Dude, my horses learned to open their gates. That doesn't mean we are the same.

Parrots talk, some can even count. Same with dolphins, dogs, cats. Its learned behavior from HUMANS. All of those animals learned it from somewhere.

I know there are also animals in the wild that are starting to learn to use tools. Good for them, shows they are adapting to their needs. But you're going to sit there with a straight face and tell me we are the same as a star fish? If so, lemme chop an arm off ya real quick and see if it grows back. :D

Seriously, what did you want to achieve with this topic? Seems you run around here claiming this part of the board as your own.
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Old 03-18-2008, 11:36 PM   #6
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I know there are also animals in the wild that are starting to learn to use tools. Good for them, shows they are adapting to their needs. But you're going to sit there with a straight face and tell me we are the same as a star fish? If so, lemme chop an arm off ya real quick and see if it grows back. :D

ROFL Oh SNAP! That gave me a nice laugh, one I sorely need today...
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Old 03-21-2008, 08:09 PM   #7
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Excuse you. You do not make the rules around here.



Not making a rule, just suggesting that this would probably upset someone that does not jive with evolution....

There are alot of threads that are not for me in this section... Simple fact... If I came across the wrong way, sorry........
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Old 03-21-2008, 08:15 PM   #8
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Dude, my horses learned to open their gates. That doesn't mean we are the same.

Parrots talk, some can even count. Same with dolphins, dogs, cats. Its learned behavior from HUMANS. All of those animals learned it from somewhere.

I know there are also animals in the wild that are starting to learn to use tools. Good for them, shows they are adapting to their needs. But you're going to sit there with a straight face and tell me we are the same as a star fish? If so, lemme chop an arm off ya real quick and see if it grows back. :D

Seriously, what did you want to achieve with this topic? Seems you run around here claiming this part of the board as your own.


I hope to achieve open dialoge about similarities and differences of man and animal.... MANY people think we are more different than we are.....

And when did I say we are like starfish?

Next, it is debatable that we are teaching animals anything.... They are just adapting to us.... Many animals, with a great deal of accuracy, what we are communicating to them.... When is the last time you can say the oppisite, that you know what an animal is trying to tell you....
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Old 03-21-2008, 08:17 PM   #9
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Excuse you. You do not make the rules around here.



And fell free to edit my orginal post if it were not approperate...
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Old 03-21-2008, 09:25 PM   #10
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I hope to achieve open dialoge about similarities and differences of man and animal.... MANY people think we are more different than we are.....

And when did I say we are like starfish?

Next, it is debatable that we are teaching animals anything.... They are just adapting to us.... Many animals, with a great deal of accuracy, what we are communicating to them.... When is the last time you can say the oppisite, that you know what an animal is trying to tell you....

As a pet owner, I can and do say on a frequent basis I know what my cat is trying to tell me.
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Old 03-21-2008, 09:36 PM   #11
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As a pet owner, I can and do say on a frequent basis I know what my cat is trying to tell me.


Mostly my cats just assume that everything that comes from a can is tuna, and that i should give him some 'tuna' posthaste.

It is not hard to read animals. Not understand every single nuance, but you can definitely tell when they are being aggressive, sleepy, hungry, playing, etc. I'm sure they pick up on human cues as well - tone of voice, time of day, actions etc. It's like when people go to a different country and they don't know the language, but they can still "converse" with the locals and find out where the nearest bathroom is, etc.

Now that I think about it, wouldn't language be something that could separate us from animals? Humans can learn several different languages and make up new ones. Can animals do that? Like, can a cat learn to speak 'dog-speak' or make up a different kind of meow-meowing and then teach it to other cats and then setup an entirely different system of meows?
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Old 03-21-2008, 09:54 PM   #12
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I think we should teach a bunch of them how to use tools, then send them back to the wild to teach. Therefore creating a new super ape through evolution.

Great Video, I would like to see a head to head battle between an ape and a human.

Keep on posting dude, some of us enjoy it!
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Old 03-21-2008, 10:07 PM   #13
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Mostly my cats just assume that everything that comes from a can is tuna, and that i should give him some 'tuna' posthaste.

It is not hard to read animals. Not understand every single nuance, but you can definitely tell when they are being aggressive, sleepy, hungry, playing, etc. I'm sure they pick up on human cues as well - tone of voice, time of day, actions etc. It's like when people go to a different country and they don't know the language, but they can still "converse" with the locals and find out where the nearest bathroom is, etc.

Now that I think about it, wouldn't language be something that could separate us from animals? Humans can learn several different languages and make up new ones. Can animals do that? Like, can a cat learn to speak 'dog-speak' or make up a different kind of meow-meowing and then teach it to other cats and then setup an entirely different system of meows?


Hmmmm......

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Prairie dogs use a sophisticated vocabulary in their warning barks, which again raises the question of whether mankind alone communicates by audible language.

The ability to formulate and use language has long been considered to be a key differentiating characteristic that distinguishes man from animals. Although that argument has been used by creationists to counter evolutionary theories, the entire conjecture may be without scriptural foundation. That is, the scriptures do not tell us that animals don't communicate, and there are indications that they might have sufficient intelligence to do so (Gen. 3:1, 7:9, Num. 22:28). Do animals really communicate to each other with the variety of sounds they can produce?


Gunnison's Prairie Dog on guard. As part of a twenty year study of prairie dogs, researchers led by Con Slobodchikoff, a Northern Arizona University biology professor, have now been able to analyze linguistic characteristics of their warning calls that appear to qualify as a limited language.[1] Prairie dogs have the ability to use nouns and modifiers, and even coin new "words." Their barks clearly distinguish between dogs and coyotes, and can include sounds for concepts such as size and color. Perhaps the most mysterious aspect is that widely separated colonies immediately create identical new barks to describe totally new concepts, such as a "black oval." Mankind cannot even do that, so how can these observations be explained?


Ps thanks for the question, this is fantastic example of what I planned to achieve with this thread.... Mature dialogue.
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Old 03-21-2008, 10:21 PM   #14
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And when did I say we are like starfish?


um you apparently when you started this thread because starfish are animals?

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When is the last time you can say the oppisite, that you know what an animal is trying to tell you....

Nigga, the last time I had a dog indoors all night (not talking about ugly chicks) and he was scratching the door for me to let his ass out and piss.
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Old 03-21-2008, 10:24 PM   #15
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I think we should teach a bunch of them how to use tools, then send them back to the wild to teach. Therefore creating a new super ape through evolution.

Did you ever see the movie with the chick that taught the ape sign language then they released him back into the wild for him/her to teach them?

OK that was hollywood and all, but yeah, most animals raised in captivity will die. Humans were teaching birds raised in captivity to fly....PEOPLE DONT FLY!
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