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12-29-2007, 12:46 PM
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Topless Woman Lured Perverts in Police Sting
Firefighter Busted for Exposing Himself to Sunbather Appeals 'Entrapment' Conviction
By MARCUS BARAM
Dec. 28, 2007
Robin Garrison, an off-duty 42-year-old firefighter, was walking in Berliner Park in Columbus, Ohio, in May when he saw a woman sunbathing topless under a tree.
He approached her and they started talking and getting comfortable, the woman smiling and resting her foot on his shoulder at one point.
Eventually, she asked to see Garrison's penis; he unzipped his pants and complied.
Seconds later, undercover police officers pulled up in a van and arrested Garrison; he was later charged with public indecency, a misdemeanor, based on video footage taken by cops who were targeting men having sex or masturbating in the park. While topless sunbathing is legal in the city's parks, exposing more than that is against the law.
The case is just one of the more extreme examples of police stings aimed at luring people into committing crimes, a tactic that has resulted in hundreds of arrests, many convictions and plenty of controversy.
Law enforcement officials say that such sting operations are an extremely effective means of lowering crime rates and stopping the criminally minded before they commit worse offenses. From early 2006 to the spring of 2007, there were 160 citations for public indecency in the city, according to an investigation by 10TV News. Among those who were caught in the stings: an Ohio State University doctor, government employees and a retired highway trooper.
But such operations veer dangerously close to entrapment, say lawyers, civil libertarians and defendants who've been caught in sting operations.
At Garrison's trial, his attorney argued that it was a case of entrapment. "Columbus police utilized this topless woman to snare this man," said Sam Shamansky. "He sees her day after day. He's not some seedy pervert."
The argument failed to sway a Franklin County Municipal Court jury that found Garrison guilty of public indecency last month. He was ordered to stay away from the park, placed on a year's probation and fined $250. Currently, Garrison remains on paid desk duty while the fire department conducts an internal investigation into his behavior.
"We want to be held to a higher standard, we are in the community every day and we put our best foot forward, but sometimes we stumble and make a mistake," said Columbus Fire Battalion Chief Doug Smith.
Garrison could not be reached for comment.
Shamansky plans to appeal the verdict on the grounds that the jury wasn't instructed on the definition of entrapment.
Other police departments across the country have dangled other temptations, from big-screen plasma TVs, Xbox 360 consoles and a shopping bag containing a cell phone and an iPod to catch people breaking the law.
In New York City, nearly 300 people, many of whom had no criminal record, have been snared this year through the NYPD's Operation Lucky Bag, in which undercover officers leave a wallet, iPod or cell phone in a subway station and wait to see who picks it up.
Although deputy police Commissioner Paul Browne says the program has helped cut subway grand larcenies by half, critics say that the police have gone too far.
"It's pretty straightforward that this is a police-created crime," said Legal Aid Society lawyer Alex Lesman, who defended a man arrested for taking a bag containing an Xbox video game box, a Sprint cell phone and cash. "The police set this whole thing up. They shouldn't be doing that and luring people in that situation, especially in this age of terrorism where the transit system is always telling you to be on the lookout for suspicious bags."
The judge agreed with Lesman, acquitting his client, Antonio Arroyo. "The police should concentrate their noble efforts on behalf of the city on countering real crimes committed every day," wrote Kings County criminal court judge Matthew A. Sciarrino Jr. "They do not need to manipulate a situation where temptation may overcome even people who would normally never think of committing a crime."
Other lawyers have argued on behalf of their clients that the operation may also violate New York's personal property law, which allows someone who finds property worth more than $25 10 days to turn it in to the owner or the police.
An NYPD spokesperson emphasized that Operation Lucky Bag does not use abandoned property; rather it is property actively left by an officer who is still in the vicinity. In addition, it is used at stations where similar crimes have been reported.
Another sting operation that made headlines involved police in El Paso, Texas, and U.S. Marshals sending out messages to wanted felons stating that they had "won" free Xbox 360 consoles and/or big-screen plasma TVs. The operation led to 115 arrests last month and the police picked up more than $25,000 in traffic fines.
This ploy, which has been used in other cities in recent years, is a new twist on an old trick, because sting operations involving drugs and prostitutes have been around for decades. And though defendants often claim entrapment, that argument rarely works in those kind of cases.
"The definition of entrapment is police activity that induces somebody to commit a crime that they otherwise wouldn't do," said Gabriel Chin, law professor at the University of Arizona. "It's not entrapment to give somebody an opportunity to commit a crime."
Chin explains that entrapment involves an officer cajoling and persuading someone who's resistant to the idea of committing a crime. "Just preying on a predisposition is not necessarily entrapment."
But he said that Operation Lucky Bag seemed to cross a line, especially when compared to longstanding police operations involving officers posing as drunks to lure muggers to take their wallets or jewelry.
"Very few people who see a drunk with gold chains or an old lady with money sticking out of her purse succumb to temptation and assault that person," he said. "But lots and lots of people wouldn't turn in a wallet when it's full of money. You could ask whether it's an appropriate use of police resources. If we really want to criminalize people who do what we don't want them to do, a lot of people would be in jail."
The temptation may just be too powerful. "I've found $5 on the street and put it in my pocket," said Chin. "If I found $5,000 on the street, I hope I would do something different."
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I'm no lawyer, but from what I've read, an 'entrapment' defense is nearly impossible no matter what the police do because:
1. In order to claim entrapment, you are admitting that you are guilty of committing a crime
2. You must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the police induced you to commit a crime you wouldn't otherwise have committed (when the only witnesses are the police who are your accusers).
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12-29-2007, 01:26 PM
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Re: entrapment?
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While topless sunbathing is legal in the city's parks, exposing more than that is against the law.
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He is fucked, plain and simple. No more entrapment than those undercover prostitution stings peopel get caught in.
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12-29-2007, 02:52 PM
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Re: entrapment?
There's a public park where topless sunbathing is LEGAL?!!! Are there more of these, and why have I just been told of them?!!!
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12-29-2007, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 93crawler
There's a public park where topless sunbathing is LEGAL?!!! Are there more of these, and why have I just been told of them?!!!
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Its legal in a lot of places. Florida beaches, that I know of, and we have a number of nude beaches here in the West Coast too....maybe not public, but they take pretty much anyone.
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12-29-2007, 06:51 PM
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Re: entrapment?
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Originally Posted by 93crawler
There's a public park where topless sunbathing is LEGAL?!!! Are there more of these, and why have I just been told of them?!!!
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In the entire state of NY it's legal for a woman to be topless anywhere a man's allowed to take of his shirt. It's the result of a court challenge by a woman in Rochester, NY who was arrested for gardening topless in her backyard.
You can find women sunbathing topless any warm day in NYC Central Park.
But the real issue in the Ohio case is that the woman enticed the man to sit down, flirted at him, rolled around on her back, put her foot up on his shoulder, and finally, asked him to take his penis out. It's not as if he walked up to her and flashed her-- it was in issue of mutual consent initiated by the undercover policewoman. If a topless woman did the same to you, would you have the self-control to avoid this? Stings are supposed to rope in people who are already out trolling to commit a crime. It stinks.
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12-29-2007, 08:25 PM
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Re: entrapment?
yeah its entrapment for sure, but trust me in columbus the government is over zealous
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12-31-2007, 11:49 PM
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Re: entrapment?
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Eventually, she asked to see Garrison's penis; he unzipped his pants and complied.
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Chin explains that entrapment involves an officer cajoling and persuading someone who's resistant to the idea of committing a crime.
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Maybe the firefighter wasn't resistant enough. Sounds like entrapment to me.
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01-01-2008, 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Juan.İamaney
He is fucked, plain and simple. No more entrapment than those undercover prostitution stings peopel get caught in.
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Actually it IS different. In the prostitution stings, the pretend hookers don't ASK you to do anything. They let YOU proposition THEM which is why its NOT entrapment. The most they will do is ask "what are you looking for" and that is not a request to engage in illegal activity. This case is very different where they ARE actually requesting that you commit an illegal act and it IS entrapment. That is the textbook definition of entrapment.
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01-03-2008, 07:47 PM
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Re: entrapment?
If that department has the time and money to waste on TOTAL SHIT like that their funding should be cut. And to firefighter! Come on! What a bunch of pussys. The public should demand an audit of the PD and everyone should mail them a bunch of little dildos!
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01-03-2008, 10:18 PM
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This is bullshit. You mean there are real criminals, including violent ones, raising hell in our communities and our cops are hanging out in parks trying to catch a few folks having sex (mutual consent)?? Haven't local police realized this type of trash is why the communities rank the local pd as 'untrustworthy'???
Do something REALLY productive with my tax dollars, PALEAZE!!!!!!!!!
Last edited by fmb : 01-03-2008 at 10:20 PM.
Reason: oops! didn't want the grammar nazi to get me!
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01-03-2008, 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by kawligia
Actually it IS different. In the prostitution stings, the pretend hookers don't ASK you to do anything. They let YOU proposition THEM which is why its NOT entrapment. The most they will do is ask "what are you looking for" and that is not a request to engage in illegal activity. This case is very different where they ARE actually requesting that you commit an illegal act and it IS entrapment. That is the textbook definition of entrapment.
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Sorry, I see some random whore walking down the street, I get one to come in my car and I'm already expecting a blow job. If women get arrested for walking the street and not asking any one if they'd like sex for money and cops call it soliciting, then the dude showing their dicks to women at parks are guilty. If you can't control yourself in a public place where women are allowed to go topless, then stay the fuck home.
I don't care how much you subscribe to penthouse and read freaky stories, the park, a public place, is not where you should be showing off your pecker.
Yes, there are far far worse criminals that the cops should be focusing on, but hey, its easier to meet your quotas this way.
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In order to establish entrapment, the defendant has the burden of proving either that he or she would not have committed the crime but for the undue persuasion or fraud of the government agent, or that the encouragement was such that it created a risk that persons not inclined to commit the crime would commit it, depending on the jurisdiction
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Its the burden of the defendant to prove his innocence. It is already established that he broke the law. I smoke and drink and pop pills but I would never shoot a needle into my vein no matter how good people tell me the high is. If someone said "come ooooon do it!" as tweekers often do when I'm at the wrong party, I wont be persuaded. It was the guy's choice.
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