michaeljohn

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...so you won't mind the massive tax increases the Socialist/Liberals plan on enacting when they assume power.

Fact: The earth heats and cools itself over the centuries, on it's own. Sea Level during the time of the Biblical Patriarchs was a few hundred feet lower than where it is today. In a few thousand years, Paris, Atlanta, and Beijing may all be beachfront property....

The last "Little" ice age only ended a couple of hundred years ago. It was the primary reason the Vikings abandoned their settlements in Greenland, and of course, their trips to the New World. They couldn't grow crops, and the fish they once caught to live on left for warmer feeding grounds.

Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, Barak Obama, all are liberal socialists. Each one is trying to get us to feel guilty about Global warming, and that man is hurrying it along. This is not proven by any means!

Educators are primary liberals. They have made Gore's propaganda movie: An Inconvenient Truth, mandatory viewing in many public schools in order to commence the brainwashing of our nation's youth.

Please keep this thread on topic. Debate only the point of taxation and how this will or won't keep our planet from warming up. Also, discuss what special interests will benefit from the higher taxes, and who will get hurt by them. If you wish to stick up for your socialistic heroes mentioned above, or the validity of humans cause global warming, do so in your own thread.

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CD

What the fuck? So you create a thread and tell all would be repliers that they can only debate you on how taxes will affect global warming? Umm... you got me finley... I give up. I really don't see the connection between a tax cut, tax hike, or fair tax changing global warming. I'll admit that I'm stumped on this one, but I'm sure Carl Rove's protege will be able to show that global warming doesn't exist, and even if it did, the tax cuts would prevent it.

The people who benefit from higher taxes are the ones that spend it or what they spend it on. Namely, where does the money go? In this case, it goes to the government who in turn lately gives it to the war in Iraq. However, I wouldn't go so far as to say that the troops benefit, because that will only happen when they aren't dying in Iraq and are brought home to their families. Instead, look at what the government is trying to accomplish in Iraq. I look at it and see future oil and control over the countries that have said oil. Bush probably doesn't want us out of Iraq until their government has enough representatives with US interests at heart.
Oh, and all large companies (Halliburton and GE to name a few) that profit from this war are also benefitting.

I think we as a country need to stop falling into the Republican mindset of "cutting taxes good, raising taxes bad." No, cutting taxes is bad if you do so after dramatically raise spending. Likewise, raising taxes doesn't make sense if you cut spending and it has no bearing on the government being able to pay for what they need. This might be the reason so many young people are rallying behind Ron Paul... he makes more financial sense than any other candidate, because he's against the bullshit spending so common in Washington. Granted, he'd probably be assassinated within 3 years of holding office, but that's to be expected from someone who bucks the system. However, if he raised taxes by 1% and yet managed to decrease the deficit and debt by a major amount, he would go down as one of the great successes in the White House regardless of all of you people that speak about "raising taxes" as equal in evil to Hitler. Reason being, that 1% in raised taxes might lead to a multiple % increase in the value of the dollar (with proper government spending and such). Now in that example, you'd be a fucking moron to not agree with the tax hike, since it benefits EVERYONE in this country. So please, from this point forward, I want to see less focus on the taxes since they are really insignificant to the problem this country has with spending.

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michaeljohn

you missed the other part I wished debated. not just how increased taxes will fight global warming, but what interests get the money spent on them. Example, to reduce air pollution in California, smog checks are required biannually I believe. I drive a diesel so I am exempt. However, licensed smog dealers keep quite busy. Since the war in Iraq benefits the oil companies, we all pay....who will get the money when the liberals eventually come to power? You know as well as I that we keep voting the major parties in and out....Next change of administration will likely pull us out of Iraq, win, lose or draw...

Increased taxes don't benefit everyone. Clinton hit small and medium size businesses hard. They in turn had to cut expenses and many CPA's lost their accounts with them as a result. I know of many accountants who really hit hard times as a result.

Today, we see the oil companies as the bad guys. A liberal administration will tax and then spend money to cut global warming, benefiting the future bad guys who have yet to be identified. Let's see if we can figure out who they are ahead of time.

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ddoubleez

See the law of thermodynamics, before making a fool of yourself....

Where does this energy come from?.....

And immigration is a greater evil than the planet becoming hostile to life.... The economy is directly dependant on the performance of the ecosystems that provide the resources......

We are in the middle of a mass extinction, FYI and it was 88 degrees last week in houston........

michaeljohn

thanks for the insult &^%$#@. I know my facts, you don't even take into account the reasons why the earth climate changes.

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michaeljohn

also, stay on topic. Immigration and thermodydynamics are not the topics here. you have been warned.

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ddoubleez

European countries are making very good use of high tax's on gas and are paying much more for electricity.... The taxes are then spent to subsidize wind and solar power plants.... Germany has their highways lined with solar arrays, and have a more dependable economy.... They have built wind turbines that rival the size of the statue of liberty and keep their money in local economies....

The Europeans are sooo good at using their surplus taxes, they are the leaders in wind and solar power in the UNITED STATES... This is another area where we are lacking and therefore exporting what little money we have to a foreign government......

Don't forget, those who are lowering your taxes supplement the oil industry to the tune of 10 digits.... These are the same companies that have set records 5 1/4 in a row for profit..... So lets discuss special interests some more......

And if that is not enough, taxes will curb american's taste for things they can't truly afford without the governments help..... Seems no one wants poor black people to get money from the government, but if a rich white exicutive gets we all cheer.......

Fucking Sheep.................

CD

Bingo! Using taxes for good! Tax the people, and then use those taxes to help the people over the long run! So utterly brilliant and simple, it makes me wonder why that hasn't been done here on a massive scale. Oh yeah, special interests that lie outside of this country, but are helped along by the people in charge of this country. It's amazing that we elect and pay for people to fuck us in the short term AND long term.

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ddoubleez

If you are going to make the claim that global warming is a myth, bringing up the law of thermodynamics is dead on topic.....

And if I am not taking into account the reasons why the 'earth climate changes', can you please take the time to include why it is happening...

Also, you may need to understand:






Guess bush is a liberal feeding the myth...............

michaeljohn

ddoubleez:

Well, so far you haven't answered the questions I asked, which, given your track record, is quite expected. Typical liberal spin, evade the question and bring up new topics to avoid the real discussion. This thread was designed to keep participants on topic in this forum or at least this thread, something you are seemingly incapable of.

#1 Will higher taxes slow global warming or not.
#2 What interest groups will benefit. (Potential future "bad" guys)
#3 Who will be hurt by the taxes.

No more games, please!

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rjsincs

its ahame how science and politics are starting to get as bad as religion as politics. but i look at global warming like this: while yes i do think that global warming is in some part because of man i do think it is some part because of nature. but i think whats important is this: if you want to think of global warming as propaganda then its one of the best kind out there. its like telling a 12 year old boy that if he rapes a girl then his penis will fall off and he will die.

its irrelevant of what you need to tell him as long as he doesn't ever rape a girl. its kinda like Santa and other things sometimes the message is more important than the delivery. so if someone wants to invent the term global warming and say that we need to stop destroying earth and being environmentally irresponsible then fine do whatever you have to as long as it gets people to be more conscious about what their doing.

you may disagree about global warming but you cant say that pollution is bad. and using all of our oil is bad. so if global warming scares people into recycling and using less oil and cleaning up the earth then so be it. its not global warming that is the real problem its the causes that are.

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ddoubleez

#1 I guess telling you that taxes will curb the appeal for products we can't afford went over your head.... Less consumption, less polution, you can understand that I hope!
#2 You tell me, if texas builds wind farms that decrease pollution and increase crop production, while lowering asthma patience, lower the cost to treat drinking water, while perserving energy and coal for the future, what groups will it intrest.... I guess the american citizen, and if I am worried about the american citizen, I guess I am a socialist..... YOUR RIGHT!!!!!
#3 We live better than any king that has lived before us.... Will I be homeless if I pay the amount of taxes it takes to get this country out of dept, and out of the hands of dept? No.... Will I be a patriot and willingly give up the money that this country needs to operate? Yes..... Will taxes hurt more than they help, no.......... Should the greatested country in the world, if not history, be making their taxes into bargan basement prices....? NO, fuck no, hell no..... And how many decades have we lowered or maintained taxes, while the dollar has lossed value.....? How long can that go on.... We borrow 80% of the worlds annual income DAILY to get by.....

When I say you are myopic, that is not an insult... You just get very focused and loose the big picture....

Please ask me again, if I have not answered your questions to your liking..... And thanks for involing me....

It's my b-day and I am 1/2 way through a scotch bottle... And yes, this means I am spending my bday w/ you.... That is a complement in it's highest form...........

agelec

we realy do need to do something about it though i dont want to be drowning in a couple of years due to sea level raising

BackdoorJesus

As an example, the "tax & spend" liberal administration fostered & subsidized the creation & distribution of the first viable electric cars, at least in parts of CA here that I know of.

The "don't tax but still spend" conservative administration killed that program; the only reason there are hybrids now, is because the Japanese put them on the road to try to compete with us & our electrics a few years ago and their cars caught on while we chose to instead subsidize Hummer sales.

As regards your point #2, I would say that the interest groups that would benefit would be far less detrimental to our environment than those who have benefited over the last 6 or so years, so count me in for socialism I guess, Rush.

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