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10-18-2007, 03:44 PM
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Gun Control?
Are you for or against Gun control?
I am a Criminal Justice student and this is the one topic that is ALWAYS debated in classes. so my question is; Do you believe just anyone should be allowed a gun or should there be requirements and/or mental background checks? |
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10-19-2007, 08:20 PM
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Re: Gun Control?
JMD1280:
It amazes (in some ways) a discussion like this is held in California, the most non-gun friendly state I'm aware of. With that said, how about this for some discussion. First, this is a multi-faceted question. There is not a yes or no answer. Not everyone can (or should) be allowed to carry a weapon; weapons place a great burden on the carrying individual: should I use it? Does this situation require the use of deadly force? Are their innocent people downrange? Do I have other options? Definitely, a thorough background check is warranted. Here in SC (no, the real SC- South Carolina!  ), not properly filling out the application is enough to invalidate the request. For example, you're asked if you've ever been convicted of a crime and you answer "no"; during the investigation, a traffic violation you committed and were found guilty for is discovered. Probably, your request will be denied because you were seen as untruthful.Mental health checks are part of the investigative background check; if you're declared mentally unfit, the decision was made by a court of law. This will be identified in the background investigation. If you meet all other criteria established by the state, issuing a permit for concealed carry shouldn't be an issue. To make things even more confusing, after re-reading your post, I think you're approaching firearm possession in general; I'm thinking concealed carry by us public folks. I'll think about this some more and approach this from a different angle. I hope what I had was worthwhile... |
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10-21-2007, 09:52 AM
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Re: Gun Control?
I would like to make sure you are speaking of control and not prohibition... I am for gun control and against gun prohibition.... Most states have good laws, but don't train workers to follow them, like in the Virgina Tech shootings.... Had the judges' paperwork not been lost, his mental stability (or lack there of) would have stopped the sale of arms....
I think that gunshows need to go away and there should be a limit on how many guns you can purchase in a given amount of time........ If you wanted to purchase five .50 cals in one visit, let alone in 6 months, the answer should be no.... If I were purchasing a case of SKS's the answer should be no.... |
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10-23-2007, 03:00 AM
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Re: Gun Control?
I don't understand you anti-gunners.
Botton line here people, guns keep the government in check. Look at what our founding fathers faced. And don't say it can't happen it happens all the time all over the world. The overthrown of our government if needed.was what or founding fathers were talking about in the second amendment. So YES. Who ever wants any kind of arms including nuclear missles should be allowed. And techniclly speaking we all do own shares to nukes. And you anti guns people, in comparison to security of our rights and a few thousand gun related deaths doesn't compare at all. |
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10-23-2007, 01:13 PM
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Gun control is already in place, and needs to be refined.... If someone thinks owning a gun is influencing the behavior of our government, one could think that is silly..... When you disagree with a congressman or a senator do you head to the streets wave a gun, no you pick up a phone and write an email.... That is what keeps the government in line.... If unbridaled gun rights keeped the government in line, the Waco compound would still be standing..... It was the amount of arms they accuired that got their compound burned to the ground.... Someone who owns a gun expects to do better? Mentally challanged people or those with a federal record should not have guns.... gun shows need to be monitored and they need to have stronger criteria, or just disappear.... Support the guy with the gunshop that pays rent and is there for you when you firearm needs to be serviced! |
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10-25-2007, 04:20 AM
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Re: Gun Control?
There is a reason its the second amendment and not the 101st. Im not just talking about guns im including bombs and misssiles and everything, arms in general.
Its the last line of defense for our freedoms. Look at the jews in the ghettos, what did they do? smuggles arms and held off the nazis for as long as possible. I understand that just cause I dissagree with a politician doesn't mean I go out and shoot peolpe. Im saying that If the government starts shooting at me when Im peacfully protesting or If they decided to throw me in a concentration camp just cause of my beliefs or ethnicty then Im going to be locked and loaded. I do agree with you about criminals and crazys owning guns, BUT I do not agree with placing gun control on law abiding citizens. As a law abiding citizen I believe that I should be able to get anything like a Machine gun if i wanted to. |
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10-25-2007, 11:09 PM
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Re: Gun Control?
gemo:
I was sitting here and asked myself, "Self, has our government ever shot up some protesting folks?" Unfortunately, the answer is yes. When our government was "merry, old England", our people were shot in the streets of Boston (that King George guy). During another bitter time, protesting citizens supporting the cause of Southern secession (sp?) were shot by Federal soldiers in the streets of NYC (President Llincoln). Fast forward to the Vietnam war, and protestors at Kent State (OH) were shot. If I remember correctly (and it has been many years), Ben Franklin said (this is a summary here, now!): those with guns keep the government in check and are citizens; those without guns are subjects. (well, something close to that) What ya'll think? |
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10-25-2007, 11:52 PM
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Re: Gun Control?
I won't weigh in on whether the whole gun/anti-gun issue except to say that if you think that by owning a gun you are somehow keeping the government at bay, then you are either really paranoid, or ignorant, or both. I for one don't have any guns, and I feel I am a citizen, as fmb seems to think that if you don't own a gun, you are not?! You're from the south right? Is that what "sc" means, South Carolina? I kind of expect something like that coming from a southerner, or a person from the Midwest for that matter--where I happened to grow up.
I don't consider myself a subject of anyone, for even a minute, just because I don't own a gun. I'm not opposed to guns, per se, but there should be a well established system of checks for people who wish to purchase them. Gun shows should be abolished as well. And you shouldn't be able to purchase things like, 50 caliber sniper rifles, and automatic weapons--what do you need them for? Shooting targets, and inanimate objects is fun, but hunting I think is retarded, and really unnecessary as well--on top of the fact I really don't think it's a "sport." Deez is right, we hold the government in check by voicing concerns, voting him/her out of office, writing emails, marching in rallies. Martin Luther King Jr., and others marched peacefully without any violence and accomplished many things. Yeah Kent State was a horrible thing, before my time though. Did you know that Neil Young wrote "Ohio" in like 10 minutes? |
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10-26-2007, 01:16 AM
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Re: Gun Control?
Yo 93Crawler:
I am from the real SC; however, I don't believe owning anything (other than a pen and paper) really keeps the gov off your back and/or ass. Does owning any item (including a firearm) elevate or maintain your citizenship and/or green card status? Personally, I think not. Also, I noticed your remark about hunting and its "retardness"; I must disagree with your statement. A number of years ago, my father was diagnosed with colon cancer. While in the docs office with him, the doc was giving my father a new diet schedule; this included foods he should not eat. One of the items was red meat; this created some problems for our family. My father and I were of the meat eating variety. Matter of fact, the two of us had shot and processed nine deer during the deer hunting season. Pa ( ) was upset he could not eat what we killed. After learning why, the doc encouraged my dad to eat the dear meat. His reasoning: deer were not corraled and had extremely low body fat and deer were not fed antibiotics! According to the doc, the deer was the most healthy meat he and I could eat...Should some rule/regulations be tightned? Of course. If our gov allows me to purchase a 50 cal rifle, why shouldn't I be able to purchase one? I don't have one, but I listened to my great-grandfather talk about the tremendous energy the 50 cal round expended on enemy tanks, trucks, locomotives, and horses (most folks wouldn't know how much the German army relied on this power). Remember, don't catagorize people; we may be a bit older, but have walked paths you may not have encountered... Glad to see you in here! fmb |
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10-26-2007, 03:47 AM
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Re: Gun Control?
I'm saying that voting and petition and protest won't change things in government, because it does and I'm all for it. But lets say our current government changes to a dictatorship and we become a nazi state. You can't say that will never happen. I could have swore thats what happended in germany 1930's....
I can happen, government can change, thats why they say our constitution is alive, they call them amendments here in the US. You can't call me crazy because its happened all the time in history and around the world. You seem to think I'm going to start firing at the capitol because i think that the .20 tax on stamps is too much, thats just crazy... I'm saying lets say in the future 20 years from now a terrorist attack occurs that kills millions and the government decides that all muslims should be placed in "camps" and interigated in a disgusting degree and I was a muslim, should I just go quitely or should I hole up in my house with a bunch of guns and shit to hold off the US NAZI's? |
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10-26-2007, 08:25 PM
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1) It has, and what are you going to do... You can't orginize b/c you are being monitored, and if you make a stand you will be overwhelmed... That was my Waco point...... The folks in Waco may have been wacco, but it is an example that there is no standing up to the government with arms..... So this point is moot........ Irony, so many people that are supporting gun rights are supporting the patriot act and submissive to having the rights to privacy voided..... So one could assume about some gun advocates are using this as the only justification to uncontrolled gun rights..... Gun ownership is not and should never be a right, but be treated as a privelage.... Like a licence... A misuse of a privelage is should be delt with, like driving under the influence...... 2) Your current president does not uphold the constitution, nor is it protecting congresses power, so this is a moot point as well..... 3) This has, again, already happened and gun 'rights' have done nothing for us.... There are illegal interigation centers in mulitple locations and international laws are broken regularly..... There is even a hollywood movie coming out about it..... Now, with that said, I am against gun prohibition, but pro-gun controll....... I am in agreement with FMB on hunting..... The end result is an animal that lead a higher quality life than one raised on a factory farm... Genetic manipulation would not be used... Force feeding is not used.... There is NO enviromental impact, relitive to beef in a grocery store.... It is healthier, and better tasting.... BUT .50 cals are not used, or usefull for hunting, nor are handguns the choice weapon...... 30 and 100 round clips are not used.... |
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10-26-2007, 09:58 PM
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Re: Gun Control?
History repeats it's self. Don't think in 5-10 year blocks, think in 50-200 year blocks. An American citizen has the responsibility to be prepaired to moblize if their country needs them, or if their country is overrun. The village idiot should should not be armed, but if they get a weapon illegally darwanism should take care of it. Mental checks? Sure! Criminal checks? No brainer. The amount you buy... If it's flagged investigate it and take the cell down, not just deny the sale. I carry legally EVERY DAY. I also carry non lethal items (but fear using them due to the civil court system). You would be suprised how quickly people get organised when the government is not doing what they want. That's why we are trying to spead democracy. Power and control to the people to speak their minds is step one. Ensuring that the people can not be overrun is step two.
Just my view... |
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10-26-2007, 10:26 PM
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Re: Gun Control?
Also, I do not know about every state, but everytime I've been to a gun show the vendors conducted the same state/FBI checks that the gun stores did. I've armed my better half, mom and sister. All carry .45acp. One glock and two 1911s. That brings me to training and qualification. I carried first. I shot all the time on an .45 HK and qualified as a personal protection specialist with DCJS. I did not work for a year, bought a 9mm p226 due to work requirements and went to qualify with no practice and guess what happened, I sucked! I was retrained and humbled, the guys I was shooting with stayed to watch so they would know if I had their back or not. To get a CCP I would feel much better if more training was required. I can disarm my buddies when they are not expecting it from 20+ feet away before they can get their hand on their firearm. I would also feel better if annual qualifications were required. I also never see people at the range practice using a flashlight during training. The next time you shoot try it and see how it affects you.
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10-26-2007, 10:57 PM
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Re: Gun Control?
Sorry not try to be a post whore...
I'm in Louisiana now. During katrina shit was real hairy. I escorted people back to thier homes and businesses in N.O. Some jerks walked the streets roaming with ak-47's and shotguns in groups, legal but borderline unlawfull, but the Police and FBI took care of that. Most people had their firearms and kept to themselfs. The FBI and uptown police pulled up on us and held us at gunpoint untill we provided I.D. I did not let them know I was a pro untill after they cleared us. I was armed to the teeth and they had no problem with me. They told us to do whatever we needed to do for people. They had almost no communications and could not repond to help and informed us that our safety was in our own hands. No land lines, cell phone towers down, 911 dispatch down. Damm good thing we were armed is all I will say. Most of it was looting. The city was a ghost town, patrols were able to be timed, and anything could and did happen. When the National guard patroled everyone took cover, when they would pass the rats came out again. The cops and FBI were smart, they were all in unmarked cars (they got me) and had body armor and ar-15's. The cops knew where all the drug houses were that they could not get warrents for, somehow they all burned down. Women in the super dome were raped in front of 100's of people. All legal weapons were taken and the strongest groups (I say groups not gangs because the locals have killed or run off most "gangs" after we got right to shoot passed) did what ever they wanted. The cops were scatterd and it was impossible for them to help everyone. Bodys were all over the streets and the air burned your eyes. Did you ever think it could happen to you? To a friend or loved one? Did you think it could happen in America? Or in any non 3rd world? It has and will. |
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