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Old 07-23-2007, 11:14 AM   #1
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Don't approve of George W. Bush? read this....

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Congress has a worse approval rating than Dubya, look for the Democrats to lose big in 2008. Don't forget what happened to them in 1994.

July 9, 2007, < 30% Approval rating
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/...toryId=11823643

July 13, 14; 2007: 24% Approval rating
http://seattlepi.NWSource.com/natio...ss_AP_Poll.html
http://www.dailypress.com/news/loca...ews-local-final

July 22, 2007, 14% Approval rating
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Originally Posted by CNN Late Edition
MCCONNELL: Yeah. You know, today marks the 200th day of the new Congress. And I'm kind of stunned that Senator Feingold just recommended on the heels of the all-night theater of Tuesday night gives you a sense, Wolf, of why this Congress now has a 14 percent approval rating. We think it's the lowest in the history of polling.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRI...7/22/le.01.html

The public perception of Congress is all they do is debate Iraq and conduct investigations.
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Old 07-23-2007, 01:48 PM   #2
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Re: Don't approve of George W. Bush? read this....

hmmmm, no replies yet, lol. Consider this, if Bush's approval rating drops, it's front page headline news. This story was buried deep inside the Front page section within another story, and shown on late-night television.

Liberal media? nah, no such thing as that.
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Old 07-23-2007, 01:51 PM   #3
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Re: Don't approve of George W. Bush? read this....

BOTH thread copied to EOTH, let's get two discussions going on this.
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Old 07-23-2007, 02:39 PM   #4
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Re: Don't approve of George W. Bush? read this....

Michaeljohn,
I don't think you have the whole picture here... You are right and this congress has let the people down, certainly! This congress has also given the house back to the republicans as well in 2010 and maybe the presidency in 2008, rightfully. I say rightfully, not because 109th was better, but because the 110th was not willing to do what it took to fix things and live up to their claims....
I will also argue that the media is not covering this, because it is conservative... The media's job is to keep us informed on issues so we can keep representatives accountable. Why would a conservative media put pressure on this congress by reporting short comings if they fit the agenda? Bush has had no real opposition from this congress on ANYTHING significant.
In other words, if this media were liberal, they would be pointing out that impeachment is a real option and that this congress should pursue it to make good on the promise that we would get our military out of the middle east, or to end the war for what any other reason you have for wanting it ended. They would also, probably, report on more of the activities that the president has done to limit congresses power.
The angle and polls you should be taking into consideration are the approval ratings of the 3 out of 4 Americans that are demanding an end to the occupation of Iraq. These are the SAME people that are disapproving of the 110th and the president at the same time. Finally, this brings up the most disturbing point I would like to make, our system is out of our hands...... We live in a republic where the will of the people is no longer taken into consideration.......

And sorry if I am obtuse, but could you tell me the objective of this thread? They don't disapprove of congress because of what they stand for, they disapprove because they are not preforming......

I do appreciate the excitement you have to share politics, I wish more people here did..............
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Old 07-23-2007, 04:16 PM   #5
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Re: Don't approve of George W. Bush? read this....

Funny thing is, congress' job approval rating wasn't even spoken of before January. Makes one wonder if the folks before were doing such a 'heckuva job' that there was no need to discuss their performance........
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Old 07-23-2007, 06:25 PM   #6
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Re: Don't approve of George W. Bush? read this....

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Funny thing is, congress' job approval rating wasn't even spoken of before January. Makes one wonder if the folks before were doing such a 'heckuva job' that there was no need to discuss their performance........



If it wasn't spoken about, it's probably because it wasn't as low as it is now. You don't think the lib media would have LOVED to add the congresses horrible approval rating on top of Dub's?
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Old 07-23-2007, 09:25 PM   #7
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Re: Don't approve of George W. Bush? read this....

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If it wasn't spoken about, it's probably because it wasn't as low as it is now. You don't think the lib media would have LOVED to add the congresses horrible approval rating on top of Dub's?



Accually the true liberal media has been all over it for months as well as the demicrats to get them to do something about impeachment and the end of the war... You just are not exposed to the liberal media... Your media calls itself liberal for the sake of having an excuse to be more conservitive...

The reasons it was not talked about before was there was not any leglislation accepted yet that was going to keep Iraq war funded until the end of Bush's term.... Reread my first post please.....
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Old 07-23-2007, 10:10 PM   #8
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Re: Don't approve of George W. Bush? read this....

The Dems are out of touch especially when they claim to represent the people.
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:06 PM   #9
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Re: Don't approve of George W. Bush? read this....

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I will also argue that the media is not covering this, because it is conservative... The media's job is to keep us informed on issues so we can keep representatives accountable. Why would a conservative media put pressure on this congress by reporting short comings if they fit the agenda? Bush has had no real opposition from this congress on ANYTHING significant.
In other words, if this media were liberal, they would be pointing out that impeachment is a real option and that this congress should pursue it to make good on the promise that we would get our military out of the middle east, or to end the war for what any other reason you have for wanting it ended.


..... are you kidding!!!!
NBC
CBS
ABC
CNN
MSNBC
The "New York Times"

Any opened minded person without an agenda can see that most of the News Media is to the left of center. That's why FNC is the most watched news channel. Do they "lean" to the right.....sure, but since the others are sooo far to the left that makes them somewhat in the middle!!!!!

Most of the so-called News misinterpret the meaning of the last election. It was'nt necessarily that they wanted the Dems in power, but to show the Repubs that they needed to clean-up there act!!! Do you really believe most Americans regardless of their party affilation wanted Miss "facelift", Nancy Pelosi an ultra liberal to control the House (muchless be 3rd in line for the Presidency)!!!!!! Almost all of the remaining moderate Dems were defeated by Repubs in 2004.

Everytime you bring-up Inpeachment you lose all credibility with me...& I dare say over 65% of the public as a whole whether they approve of George W. Bush or not.

I'm not a big fan of George & he has been a big dissapointment in most area's, but I really did'nt have a choice in 2000 or 2004. I blame Cheney.....without him there would have been no Rumsfield & on & on. But finally we do have a good Sect of Defence that listens to his general's, just wished he had been in charge in 2001. Rumsfields "leaner, meaner" policy was totally wrong & that's why we're in the shape now......we don't have the troops!!! But it was Pres. Clinton that cut our Armed Forces back by 40% when most of the experts where saying we need a 700,000 man "peace time" army. He cut the US Army do to 490,000 troops, less troops than we had in the 1st Gulf War. This was how he balanced the budget by cutting Defence spending & Repubs cramming "Welfare Reforms" do his throat!
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Old 07-24-2007, 12:26 AM   #10
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Re: Don't approve of George W. Bush? read this....

Mainstay! You missed my liberal media tread

http://forums.webrats.com/thread129789.html

Read over that comment and then I would love to pick this up....... Oh, please don't leave me hanging.....
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Old 07-24-2007, 07:45 PM   #11
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Re: Don't approve of George W. Bush? read this....

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Your media calls itself liberal for the sake of having an excuse to be more conservitive...



Sooo..... the media is actually a massive conservative conspiracy??
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Old 07-25-2007, 01:03 PM   #12
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Re: Don't approve of George W. Bush? read this....

Give me a break.For 6 years Bush had control of all 3 branch's of government and did nothing worthwhile to speak of.If he had done just one thing like reign in spending I would have at least some respect for him.Consider that he did not veto a single bill until the after the Dem's took back congress.What a miserable failure he has been.
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Old 07-25-2007, 01:37 PM   #13
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Re: Don't approve of George W. Bush? read this....

I thought the whole point was his team ran a spoiler campaign based on "supposed democrat support for" abortion, gay marriage, immigration and that the GOP could at least take credit for setting civil liberties and common sense back about ... ooooh ... 60 years

Don't get me started on regressive school policies, cell therapies, discrimination, pork-barrel policies, etc

I admit that is a view from the other side of the Atlantic, but the view from here is not at all good.

Oddly, I started off wanting to like him - especially after the last few months of the Clinton administration - but that quickly changed.

Still, it seems the current trend for politicians to achieve nothing and then claim they were responsible for everything since creation (or, in Bush's case, Creation itself, I guess)
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Old 07-25-2007, 06:38 PM   #14
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Re: Don't approve of George W. Bush? read this....

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Give me a break.For 6 years Bush had control of all 3 branch's of government and did nothing worthwhile to speak of.If he had done just one thing like reign in spending I would have at least some respect for him.Consider that he did not veto a single bill until the after the Dem's took back congress.What a miserable failure he has been.



Read the constitution dude. Not Bush, or any other President has had control of more than one branch at any given time. Checks and Balances. Perhaps he didn't veto a single bill because he didn't disagree with any of them until the people he disagreed with had a majority.

C'mon now. At least Bush bash with an argument.
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Old 07-26-2007, 11:44 AM   #15
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Re: Don't approve of George W. Bush? read this....

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Read the constitution dude. Not Bush, or any other President has had control of more than one branch at any given time. Checks and Balances. Perhaps he didn't veto a single bill because he didn't disagree with any of them until the people he disagreed with had a majority.

C'mon now. At least Bush bash with an argument.


You, my friend, are not familar with signing statements.....

Lets look:

When the President of the United States signs a bill into law, he or she has the option of including a signing statement. A signing statement accompanying a law was not used frequently until the late 1980s. Since that time, President Ronald Reagan, President George Bush, President Bill Clinton, and President George W. Bush have drafted over 200 signing statements. Prior to Reagan’s presidency, the signing statement was a little used tactic, occurring only 75 times in 200 years of governance.

A signing statement is not prohibited, though it is argued that a signing statement should not be considered as more important than the signed law that accompanies it. However, it can occasionally be a statement regarding how the President intends to interpret the law for his or her own benefit.

For example, President George W. Bush’s signing statement accompanying the 2005 McCain Detainee Act, which bans torture of detained suspects, diminished the law by suggesting that the President would administer the law under his discretion. Often, the signing statement may be one that suggests the law interferes with the Executive powers of the President and thus may be applied only as needed.

In fact, the US President is obliged to include a signing statement if he or she feels that the law in some way negates Presidential powers. Though congress would prefer that laws apply to everyone in the country, and would rather draft a law that will be observed by all, the signing statement may be an argument against the necessity of the President observing the law.

The signing statement is generally applied in one of three ways. It may include a statement that the law goes against the constitutionally defined powers of the executive branch. It may be used to fire up a political party and urge them to act in a certain way. Alternately, it may more specifically define vagaries in the law in the hopes that the signing statement will be used as interpretive by judges who administer the law.

In many cases, the US Supreme Court has declared that a signing statement of a President should not be used to interpret law. Rather, interpretation of law is the goal of the judiciary branch of the government. However, a judge is not bound to ignore a signing statement in adjudicating a case.

Concern about the interference of the executive branch into the province of the legislative branch via signing statements has spawned a bill that would actually negate the potential power of the signing statement. The Presidential Signing Statement Bill proposed in 2006 would forbid judges from considering signing statements as authority. It would also allow the House of Representatives or the Senate to object to the signing statement of a President, and if necessary, sue for the statement to be declared unconstitutional.

Many argue that the signing statement goes against the grain of the balance of power which is supposedly the hallmark of the US government. It should be noted that a member of the President's political party introduced this bill. This is less a partisan issue, and more simply an interpretive issue regarding the extent of the political power held by any one branch of the government


Your current president has used FOUR TIMES more signing statements than ALL PRESIDENTS combined in US history........

Here is a link to a list of singing staments by bush catorgized by year, it is a few days worth of reading, otherwise I would have posted them..

http://www.coherentbabble.com/signi...ignstateann.htm
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