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Old 09-09-2006, 03:51 PM   #1
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Hey guys, I haven't started a thread in here for a while so I recently saw some news that might be interesting.

The Federal Investigation of any possible links between Hussein and Al-queda is over. They concluded that there is no evidence of ANY KIND that supports the theory that Hussein even had relations with the Al-queda organization. My question is this:

Does this Federal conclusion undermind Bush's basis for the Iraqi war?

I say yes, what do you say?
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Old 09-10-2006, 07:22 AM   #2
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The federal conculsion just reenforces what said before we went to war, that there were no ties between Iraq and terrorist. Lets you know that our president is a liar with even more evidence.
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Old 09-10-2006, 03:59 PM   #3
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It's hard to say that any congressional finding has had any bearing at all on how Americans feel about what the reality is.

The Warren commission found no evidence of a conspiracy to kill Kennedy, for instance.

These inquiries can only happen well after anything's been done. It doesn't matter what Bush's basis for going to war was, we're already there. The only thing this commission could possibly aid is the pressing trial of Lt. Watada, and even that's a long shot.
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Old 09-10-2006, 07:08 PM   #4
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This whole Bush administration reminds me of Star Wars. Where the democracy that the Jedi fought for (i.e. America) isnt really a democracy anymore but an Empire. And Bush (Vadar) being controlled and manipulated by Cheeney (Emperor), and the rest of Americans dont do anything to stop it because if we go against our country its treason and the 'Stormtroopers' will arrest us.

"He's too powerful to be kept alive." - Mace Windu

I just pray every night that there isn't going to be another Bush in office after Dubya, because, thats kinda like a monarchy, except its a bad one. I mean, I know this is a VERY broad question, but "why can't we just be at peace." (I dont want an answer, its just rhetorical)...Come on, lets make people in America happy first, then worry about the rest of the world...
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Old 09-10-2006, 09:10 PM   #5
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Re: No Link - possible undermind of Bush
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It's hard to say that any congressional finding has had any bearing at all on how Americans feel about what the reality is.

The Warren commission found no evidence of a conspiracy to kill Kennedy, for instance.

These inquiries can only happen well after anything's been done. It doesn't matter what Bush's basis for going to war was, we're already there. The only thing this commission could possibly aid is the pressing trial of Lt. Watada, and even that's a long shot.


1. But then again the House Select Committee on Assassination in the late 70s said that there WAS a conspiracy to kill JFK. Kinda killed that straw man arguement now, didn't it?

2. YES THE BASIS DOES MATTER. THE ENDS NEVER JUSTIFY THE MEANS.
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Old 09-11-2006, 11:50 AM   #6
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It doesn't matter what Bush's basis for going to war was, we're already there.


True we are there, and I've argued before that the only solution to the Iraqi War is an Iraqi Civil War. With the Shiites, Sunni, and Kurds all fighting over the area, we now have no basis for remaining there. The understanding before the War was that Hussein not only had WMDs (proved to be false), but also had a resourceful connection with the Al-queda organization (which has also now been found to be false). We now have no basis to remain in Iraq. We should pull out and let them settle this affair on their own.

I do not feel that we can solve this problem with our own aggression.
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Old 09-11-2006, 04:22 PM   #7
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See but if the US allowed the civil war it would be scandalous to sell arms there. Now if they are there contributing/diffusing hostilities then arms profitting becomes legitimate.
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Old 09-12-2006, 10:46 AM   #8
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I think its complete and utter bullshit that we sell weapons to anybody. Why promote violence to make a few million dollars?
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Old 09-12-2006, 12:37 PM   #9
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9-11 was just a reason for Bush to finish what his daddy started. We arent there for terrorism!!! It all a bunch of BS!

Go to google video and search "911 Press For Truth" Its not about some conspiracy theory but rather some very disturbing truths about the Bush administration.
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Old 09-12-2006, 12:51 PM   #10
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9-11 was just a reason for Bush to finish what his daddy started. We arent there for terrorism!!! It all a bunch of BS!

Go to google video and search "911 Press For Truth" Its not about some conspiracy theory but rather some very disturbing truths about the Bush administration.
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Old 09-13-2006, 04:07 PM   #11
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First off, the Star Wars scenario is somewaht correct but the Emperor isn't Cheney but Karl Rove. Secondly, why the h are we over there now! I saw on the news where the Prime Minister of Iraq went to Iran on friendly terms shaking hands with the leader of Iran like good old friends. We're over there helping Iraq and the grovernment. They then go and do this crap! This isn't the only thing they did! First they promoted the hezzoblah terrorists! WTF!!!!!!!
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Old 09-14-2006, 05:24 PM   #12
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The federal conculsion just reenforces what said before we went to war, that there were no ties between Iraq and terrorist. Lets you know that our president is a liar with even more evidence.



The federal conclusion reenforces what was said after the war, not before. Remember, it was an almost uninanamous decision to go to war based on the intelligence. The people who are today saying to pull out are the same ones who voted to go to war in the first place. True, the intelligence was flawed on the WMD. The report does not say that Bush fabricated the intelligence. He did nothing of the sort; which is why the "Bush lied, kids died" thing is wrong.

While its true that Iraq had no connections to Al Queda, the fact remains that we are fighting people that strap bombs on their backs and walk into a pizza parlor. We tried the not fighting back thing with Clinton, they attacked us anyway. These people must be fought. If not Iraq, then where?
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Old 09-15-2006, 12:26 PM   #13
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The federal conclusion reenforces what was said after the war, not before. Remember, it was an almost uninanamous decision to go to war based on the intelligence. The people who are today saying to pull out are the same ones who voted to go to war in the first place. True, the intelligence was flawed on the WMD. The report does not say that Bush fabricated the intelligence. He did nothing of the sort; which is why the "Bush lied, kids died" thing is wrong.

While its true that Iraq had no connections to Al Queda, the fact remains that we are fighting people that strap bombs on their backs and walk into a pizza parlor. We tried the not fighting back thing with Clinton, they attacked us anyway. These people must be fought. If not Iraq, then where?


on the first section. The problem I have with the Middle East is that it doesn't matter if we keep killing off the top man or the second to the top man, because the militant movement is what we are fighting against. I feel this whole thing is analogous to our fighting Communism during the mid to late 20th century. Communism still exists even though the most powerful contributor (Soviet Union - Russia) fell. Militant Muslims will still exist even if we take out Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, even Uzbekistan for all its worth (which is pretty much nothing). Another problem I have are pre-emptive strikes against Muslims from Israel. No, I don't support Israel in its squabbles with Hezballah, Egypt, Palestine, etc. The Balfour Declaration should never have been made. The Zionist movement should never have been supported. True I hate the fact that the Israeli people were disbanded long ago, but the land had been in control of the Islamic culture for over a millennium. Would you like it if all of a sudden, a larger power (though one does not exist right now) than the US forced all of us to return the land we live on to the Native American tribes who held the land much longer than we have? I think not. Call me harsh. Its how I feel.
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Old 09-15-2006, 01:19 PM   #14
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I wouldn't call 77-23 vote in the Senate "nearly unanimous." Those who support the war and those who oppose always seem to reinterpret history. Congress never was given the same intelligence as the administration. Memos (Downing Street), documents, what the executive branch chooses to release is generally not what is eventually discovered by either legislators, the press, or insiders. Hiding under a "national security" umbrella or "protect our citizens" message is really wearing me out.
Who are "these people that must be fought?" As the world's only superpower, does the U.S. really need to punch in the nose every bad guy in the world before they push us? I hope future generations see the Doctine of Preemptive Policy for what it is- stupid and just plain wrong.
I never supported the war, but I certainly don't mind others finally seeing the light. Maybe the people who are changing their minds don't see it for the lies that did or didn't happen, but the realization that Every Single Prediction that was given for justification, pre-war and post-war, has turned out wrong. I'm still waiting to see the streets of Baghdad lined with citizens applauding the liberators. I guess they're too busy trying to rebuild a country right now.
I will give the Bush Administration credit for one thing. The "Stick With The Plan" mentality is what has been missing from U.S. Policy. They just chose the wrong tool.
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