cruzinazn420

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well...i dont know if a thread was started like this, im too lazy to search. but anyway, do you think the government and the president were involved in the 9/11 attacks? maybe i watched too much 24, but it got me thinking...why is it that after we captured saddam, we stopped searching for osama? maybe because it is too hard to search in afganistan's caves, but i dont think the situation in iraq is any easier. did we just capture saddam in the hopes of securing an oil reserve? im a little drunk and stoned, so if this makes no sense, im sorry. reply if you feel the urge... :wiggle:

facepeeler

no

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mstad

We stopped searching for him long before we caught Saddam.

nocturnal_e

Of course there is a conspiracy. There are a million bizarre occurances on that day, but for the 9/11 conspiracy newbie, focus on concepts like how the towers collapsed (why do we spend so much time/money/effort on careful implosions if buildings fall straight down no matter what, even if a plane crashes into them). Focus on why the steel from the towers was immediately shipped out of the country and melted down when an analysis of the metal could have disproven the "gasoline melting the support beams" farce. Focus on why the planes were not intercepted by our Air Force. Anytime a plane goes slightly off course it is immediately intercepted by F-16's. How did planes get over an hour to take out targets on our soil? This is the United States. Why did Bush react as he did when he found out the news? Why wasn't he immediately rushed out of that classroom? When the country is under massive attack and the president is surrounded by children at a very public, very well-known location, why was he allowed to just sit there unless they KNEW he was safe there?

The list goes on and on and on. No intelligent person believes the story we were fed on 9/11, people are just too scared to speak out about it yet.

Defnaga

very... very well said nocturnal.

facepeeler

you listen to Michael Moore too much....I suppose next you're going to say that there was NO plane that hit The Pentagon, right? And they don't spend all that time imploding buildings to make sure that they are going to fall straight down, because all demo crews do is take out the beams at the bottom and the rest happens as it happens. And steel loses up to HALF of it's designed strength a temps much lower than what the planes full of jet fuel produced.

As far as why they didn't rush the president out, ever hear of the boy who cried wolf? When they told him, only one plane had crashed, so it could have been an accident. No sense in going to DEFCON 1 when there is a plane accident, it has happened before.

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nocturnal_e

Michael Moore has never touched the theory that anyone in the government had knowledge of the attacks prior to 9/11. Quit flinging around hatred and ignorance every time someone disagrees with you.

And do your homework next time you try to PWN someone, Bush sat there on his ass long after he was told the 2nd plane had crashed. But I guess they all probably just thought that was a 2nd accident involving a plane crashing into the World Trade Center, right?

Juan.©amaney

You guys can either keep this going with facts and free of speculation of other's education etc or I'll ban you all and close the thread.

Read the rules if you have to. "No" is not a good reply in here.

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licupssy

Where's the conspiracy?????
4500 Comercial flights in air
At 7:59 Flt 11 takes off Boston, MA
At 8:14 Flt 175 takes off Boston, MA
At 8:14 Flt 77 takes off Dulles Washington DC
At 8:20 Flt 11Trasponder turned off
At 8:40 Norad notified of Flt 11 HiJack
At 8:42 Flt 93 takes off Newark, NJ
At 8:43 Norad notified of Flt 175 HiJack
At 8:46 Flt 11 crashes into WTC North Twr
At 8:46 Norad orders MA Air Ntl Guard to scrabble 2 F-15 Fighters
At 8:50 Flt 175 deviats course back toward NY
At 8:52 F-15's are airbourne
At 9:00 President notified of Flt 11 crash
At 9:00 Flt 77 transponder turned off
At 9:03 Flt 175 crashes into WTC South Twr / F-15's 70 miles out NY
At 9:06 FAA Halts all flights takeoff into NY or air space north of North Carolina & east of Michigan
At 9:07 President notified of Flt 175 crash in front of school children
At 9:16 FAA notifies Norad possible HiJack of Flt 93
At 9:24 Norad notified of Flt 77 HiJack
At 9:24 Norad orders Langley AFB to scrabble 2 F-16 Fighters
At 9:26 All national civilian takeoffs grounded
At 9:30 F-16's are airbourne (suppose to have orders to protect White House)
At 9:30 President address nation on apparent terrovist attack
At 9:35 Flt 93 turns East
At 9:37 Ronald Reagan Washington Airport notifies Secret Service of UFO enter air space
At 9:37 Flt 77 crashes into Pentagon / F-16's 105 miles away
At 9:40 Flt 93 transponder turned off
At 9:45 FAA shutdown US Air Space - all flights must land ASAP
At 9:55 President departs Florida on AF-1 (In FLT - Bush puts Military on High Alert / notified of crash into Pentagon and Shanksville, PA)
At 9:58 Most cell phone activity ends from Flt 93
At 9:59 WTC south Twr Collapses
At 10:03 Flt 93 crashes in Shanksville, PA / F-16's 100 miles away on combat air patrol over WDC Area
At 10:21 FAA orders International flights to Canada
At 10:28 WTC northh Twr collapses
At 11:45 President arrives in Barksdale AFB, Louisiana on AF-1

Nothing Bizarre
No one fed it to me / I sat and watched every minute of it from 8:00Am on Fox News and CNN
I get a kick out of the people that complained why Bush didn't jump up out of the meeting with those school kids thats why we have norad and the armed services. They don't need Bush to push some button to protect the country.
I don't know what people exspect the F-16's are going to do. Heat seeking missles take out engines the plane still got to crash somewhere.

facepeeler

that and you can't just go shooting every plane out of the sky. That's bad business.

And why would Bush want to stir up some shit for approval ratings? He had high ratings before 9/11....of course they went up, any President's ratings would have gone up after that. He did exactly what he was supposed to do, now everything past there has been a big fuck up.

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nocturnal_e

Bush didn't have high ratings before 9/11. He had some of the lowest ratings ever for a newly elected president. And no one is claiming Bush is the one behind anything. Once again, one must think a little bigger.

I suggest you research the Project for a New American Century if you're having trouble wrapping your mind around a motive for the conspiracy.

mikesantana

Why are conspiracy theories so almighty popular?

1. JFK fans don't want to believe that such a charismatic leader in such a powerful position could possibly be killed by one angry man with a mail-order rifle. Theorists point out that not everything was captured clearly on film...
2. Prince Charles haters don't want to believe that the "saintly" Diana was killed in a simple car crash while racing from the papparazzi with her rich boyfriend. Theorists point out that nobody actually saw it happen...
3. A lot of people just don't want to believe that a few determined suicidal foreigners could hatch and carry out what was actually a devastatingly simple plan: anyone who was prepared to die could have done it. The whole damn thing was live on TV (at least the New York part), and the 4th plane's passengers (true heroes) were live on their phones, but the theorists still don't want to believe it...

They, the bad guys, didn't know the towers would implode, that was just "lucky" for them and scary for us. They also didn't expect passengers on the delayed 4th plane to fight back.

I don't believe for a moment that even your best special forces could plan and coordinate the twin tower collapses, time it to kill so many rescuers, and get it broadcast live internationally on TV. I don't believe that your best Hollywood directors and special-effects teams could have fabricated the live TV coverage. I know that Bush is no Ronald Reagan, but if he knew it was going to happen he surely would have "acted" better when he got the "news".

You must be joking, or smoking...

PS: Does nocturnal_e really expect to get shot down if his next flight gets delayed or strays off-course by bad weather, pilot error, instrument problems, etc? Not sure that would make me feel safer...

cruzinazn420

i didnt mean to imply i thought that the government planned and carried out the attack, but did they assist in some way to get the ball rolling? obviously, bush wouldnt object to a reason for america to invade the middle east for their resources. of course now it has backfired, and like always, hindsight is 20/20. but at the time, would they have thought it feasible to let it happen? again, this is all hypothetical.

conspiracy theory or not, there were so many scandals and problems in bush's term, how can you not think about things like this? pre-screened town hall meetings and meetings with soldiers. i mean, he cant even correctly recite one of his speeches; and they expect us to believe that he has the ability to give impromptu answers?

jeffc574

There are tons of really bad conspiracy therories out there. No, the US goverment did not plan the 9/11 attacks. The People of the United States responded exactly the way you would hope they would when the attacks happened. We pulled together, helped those who needed it, and looked to our goverment to kick the living shit out of the bad guys.

No.