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Yes, Barack Obama is now trying to ride the Left and Right of the 2nd Amendment.
Earlier this year, he stated that the DC Ban on Handguns IS Constitutional.
He also has voted that Gun Dealers and Manufacturer's can be open to lawsuits.

Now, he is saying the Supreme Court got it right, and...

Then, when questioned...

Well, NO SHIT, lets take the illegal guns off the street. I mean, if the City Bans all Handguns, then any of them (other then the Cops) are ILLEGAL.
it is less then 3% of murders by LEGAL Handguns!

Just another Reason that Obama is FULL OF SH*T. He is already twisting words and positions, just to get votes. If he does this NOW, imagine what kind changes he will really push if he wins.

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I will still say that Obama is a better choice than McCain, because McCain is just going to continue what Bush is doing right now, but Obama is really pissing me off as of late. He is beginning to turn into the typical politician, and the only change he is going to bring to Washington is a different colored jackass in charge of our country.

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My stance:

Let people buy and own guns. However, I also think that the average person does not need 50 guns or any sort of automatic assault rifle. If we keep the 7 day wait, and gun manufacturers keep putting in inventive safety measures to protect children from playing with "Daddy's guns", I think there doesn't need to be any sort of ban in this country. I don't feel like I need to own one, but outside of the really serious firepower, but I could care less if the average Joe wants to get one or two for home or travel security.

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Some months ago, I did some work for the capital police; while doing my work, I was able, for the first time, to see how politics really works. Yes, a civics class can explain the system, but until you get up close and see how ugly and intertwined the process is, it can be difficult to fathom.

Talking out of both sides of the mouth is the mantra of a politician. There is no choice; the pol has to please the most numbers of the audience in front of him/her. It's completely acceptable to correct oneself after one group is offended...

If Obama is truly the candidate for change, I'd like him to stick with the idea of not bowing to pressures to please everyone and stick to his guns (no pun intended for this thread!) Most folks complain about our political system, but are okay with electing a die hard politician over an unknown because of the fear of the unknown. Polls are great, but the real measure of acceptance for Obama will be after the votes are tallied.

Popular votes, that is. Don't get me started on the electoral college......

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Well, I knew what this post was about without even having to enter it--that's why I didn't comment on it earlier. I'm not really going to defend Obama on this, because I think he is trying to appeal to more voters by backing the Courts decision. He's trying to win in states that have be written off as Republican for decades, and he won't be able to win those states without appealing to the gun-toting, second amendment idiots of the nation.

I think the Courts decision was wrong, and justice Scalia and the others that voted for it, should really look at what the second amendment actually says. The reason DC had a handgun ban, is simply because DC is a ghetto, and has had the highest murder rate for years before implementing this law. Yes, it's our capital and all the rich, Congressmen, and Senators work there---but outside of the rich area, DC is ghetto. I think Jon Stewart of the Daily Show summed it up best when he said, that DC is like a chocolate donut with a white creamy center.

Having said this, McCain is perhaps the inventor of the flip-flop, and has done more than any other candidate. From torture, to Iraq, immigration, campaign finance reform (remember McCain/Feingold), and I could potentially list many, many others. Your candidate is severely flawed, and considering the lackluster field he emerged from, it's not surprising that he isn't winning in any polls. McCain is too fucking old, yes I'm age discriminating. I don't want my Grandpa running anything, especially the fucking country. I don't even trust him to drive, let alone make important policy decisions regarding American lives.

Obama will simply crush McCain this fall, and with Bob Barr running as the Libertarian candidate, which will siphon further votes away from an already stagnate candidate, there's no chance McCain will win. You Republicans have a candidate that is polarizing within his own party. He isn't trusted by evangelicals, and many moderates within the part either. I'm thinking somewhere in the neighborhood of 60% of the vote, this fall.

This post is exactly what's wrong with a part of American politics, in that what's focused on is the small, petty stuff that doesn't really matter that much in the grand scheme of things. You should really try to not focus on these rather non-issues, and try to focus instead on the substantive issues that actually matter.

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I predict that a lot of Democrats (at least half of them to start off with it would appear) are going to have serious buyer's remorse with this guy.

I had personally thought he was a shape-shifter since long before the primary campaign became heated but the Dems seemed bound & determined to push him forward.

All that effort did was to send this independent swing voter to the other side.

I have far more confidence that McCain WILL be a departure from Bush Republicanism despite what the Democrats would have us believe - he has always worked across the aisle as a fiscal conservative and social liberal, with the exception of his current anti Roe v. Wade position, which I believe is simply lip service in attempt to bring in the conservative base. But abortion rights are not a big enough issue to sway my vote this time around - fiscal responsibility is.

The last time I saw a Democrat like BHO was Jimmy Carter - and seriously, that is not "Change I can believe in".

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I am in total disagreement with everything 93Crawler posted.

I think the Supreme Court got it right.
I also think the 2nd Amendment is very important.

I think McCain is far different then President Bush
I think Obama would screw things up far worse and ruin the Military as well as jepordize our freedoms and security.

I would not vote for Obama even if McCain had a Heart attack the day before the election.

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Your post is pointless, as we all already knew you want to have McCains children, and you think Obama is the devil. Your post also doesnt contain any substinance. You can say you think you know your right all day, but without anything to back up your claims your just talking shit. McCain is a bigger flip-flop artist than Obama, at this point in time, and that is a proven fact.

And I wouldnt joke about McCain having a heart attack, as it's likely to happen. Old people cant take stress like younger people. Most presidents enter the white house with their natural hair color, and leave with a head full of Grey. McCain's already grey, so whats gonna happen to him????

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For a second, when I first read your post I thought you said you agreed with me--then I thought no I read that wrong. In any case, you may "think" that McCain is far different than Bush, but you'd be wrong. He was different than him when he ran for President the last time around. I actually liked him at that point, he actually was the moderate that he is still trying to portray. He has since flipped his position on virtually every single, fucking issue there is available. Some of those issues McCain has a very personal stake in, such as issues of torture, and campaign finance reform.

It's questionable to me why someone who has endured what McCain has in the form of over 5 years of torture to be against the recent Supreme Courts ruling that detainees can get at least a trial to see if they are even guilty at all--hint, most are probably not, watch Taxi to the Darkside if you doubt me. Campaign finance reform is really a non-issue for just about everyone, but McCain championed such a bill a few years ago, and now is against everything the bill stated. Now you may say, but wait Obama opted out of public financing, when he said he would accept it. Yeah, he did say that, but he has essentially created a new, and more refined way of public financing. Over 90% of his contributions have been from donors of 100 dollars or less. Honestly, I don't want my money going to everyone running, I'd rather be able to donate to who I want. Public financing is outdated. McCain severely limited himself by opting into this system.

Obama is a fund-raising machine, and will put more money into every single state than McCain can even dream of, forcing him to spend money in states the Republicans have taken for granted for decades.

Joe, I have to ask, why the overwhelming preoccupation with everything military related. I mean I know you used to be in the services, and I thank you for your service, but there are many more important things to consider this time around. The economy for one, gas prices, health care, Medicare, Social Security, our trade policy, our immigration policy--there are more issues than just the military! The military is important, especially with the current situation in the world, and despite what you may "think," Obama would not dare cut military numbers, nor would any other politician. The Republicans aren't just going to be able to raise the terror alert level, and say that unless they're in charge, we'll be screwed--that won't work this time around. The fear card won't work any more, at least on the majority of the public. Americans have come to the realization, that Republican control of government does the exact opposite of what they say they will do--bigger government instead of smaller, less safe instead of more safe, more scandals in his first term than Clinton had in two, and an economy in shambles--need I go on?

Face it you guys got a shitty candidate, that came out of a shitty field, in an ever increasingly difficult year for any Republican--there is virtually no chance in hell he will win, especially since Bob Barr is now in the race. As I stated above, I'm thinking somewhere in the neighborhood of 60% of the popular vote, and a substantial majority of the electoral votes. Oh and BDJ, I am not an "Obamabot," as you have cleverly coined the phrase--I have been for Obama from the very beginning when he entered the race. And I don't see any parallels between Obama and Carter, however I do see substantial similarities between Bush, and McBush-er McCain. And also, since McBush is such an old bastard, I'm often reminded of Bob Dole, when seeing him, and his inability to relate to anyone younger than 40.

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love how you would like us to believe that McCain is an extension of Bush, when all indicators seem to show that Bush term #3 is actually what Obama aspires to...see if you can't recognize THESE similarities between YOUR guy & the man you love to hate before you start throwing around the tiresome lefty party line label "McBush"...

Bush's Third Term

Judging by his behavior of late, I'm inclined to believe it.

Smug little Dems gonna take it in the shorts come November, mark my words.

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Well, this is one of the few places you and I may disagree Jesus. I honestly don't understand you're stance on Obama, but your entitled to your opinion. McCain has voted in line with Bush on well over 90% of all pieces of legislation, and has the same stance on everything from immigration, Iraq, campaign finance reform, the economy, taxes, gas prices and everything associated with them, all foreign policy decisions, and just about anything else. I really only see a couple of differences between him and Bush--his stance on the environment, and gay marriage/civil unions. Although his record on voting for doing anything to combat climate change is highly questionable. I think the whole difference on climate change, is just a ploy honestly.

As to the link you've given, it came from the Wall Street Journal, so I know it's not the reputable. After all Rupert Murdoch owns it, as well as Faux News.

When it comes to his "behavior of late," I already expressed my disagreement with his position on FISA and the vote that will occur tomorrow. Aside from that the only other thing that got news was his supposed flip-flop on Iraq. But if you do your research, and look at what he actually said, and what he has said for almost 2 years, they are identical. Look it up, the footage exists, I just watched it last night.

I agree, the Democrats are getting a little too giddy, and may just take this for granted--but I doubt it, there are just too many people who want something different, someone different. Even Republicans are running scared, and they are admitting publicly that it will be a very rough year for the Republican brand, and John McCain in particular. The Democrats are expected to gain anywhere between 4 and 8 Senate seats, and in the house they'll gain probably 20 more or so. Governorship's are also going to be good pickups for the Dems. I'm sticking with my earlier assessment, somewhere in the neighborhood of 60% of the popular vote, and a substantial amount of the electoral vote--mark my words.

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The Wall Street Journal isn't reputable? Amazing that you would think that of a periodical that has historically been the bellwether of free market and political trends.

Unfortunately, we all can't get our information from such reputable and unbiased sources as The New York Times and The Huffington Post, otherwise I'm sure we'd all view things as you seem to. :rolleyes:

Hey, I'm not Kreskin & sure the future is unwritten, but I truly think the Dems are running a little too cock-sure and are definitely in for a big surprise by the time this election is over.

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I don't really look at the Times hardly at all, even though one of their stories may be linked on another page. As far as the Huffington Post, yeah I get quite a bit of the news from there, but I also check a couple Republican blogs, faux news from time to time--just for laughs mainly, and others like Politico to name a few. I don't really follow much business news, or stocks for that matter and that's primarily what the WSJ is about right? Also, even though Murdoch has recently taken it over, it has always been very much a pro-Republican/pro-rich source of news--so that's why I don't really trust their stories that much.

True, the Democrats are definitely getting a little too sure of themselves, and complacency will bite them in the ass, if they're not careful. I doubt that it will come to that though, this country wants, needs a completely different direction, and the "New and Improved" McCain sadly is not even close to the man for the job.

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Oh yeah, about that - said vote went down today; Obama voted for it, and Clinton voted against it.

Buyer's remorse doesn't even begin to cover it...:rofl:

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Our potential president, and what he thinks about an essential provision of the constitution is "petty" now? Holy shit. You want to talk about what the problem is with American politics? I would argue is that they are attempting to appeal to people who feel that the 2nd amendment is "petty" and "doesn't really matter."