Get off Bush's back!!!!
 

I am so tired of hearing everyone blast Bush for all this crap about the war!! Does anyone remember that we were attacked by people who had contact with and aide from Saddam? Does anyone care that Al Qaeda had people (al-Zarqawi) in Iraq before we attacked them? Bush made the statement that we will go after anyone connected to 9/11 in any way. He also said we will make no distinction between those who attacked us and those who harbor them. He is doing what he said we would do, and it is keeping the fight in Iraq instead of New York City or L.A. Do you realize we are upset over 3000+ soldiers who lost their lives in 3 years!! We lost almost that many on 9/11 people. In other wars we would lose that many soldiers in a matter of hours. To pull out now or leave without completing what we went there to do would be a dishonor to those who gave their lives in this fight and a disgrace to our country.
And as for there being no WMD that were outlined as a reason for going into Iraq. There was plenty of Anthrax, Sarin, VX, and god knows what else to kill the entire US population and have a little left over. But no one wants to ask where it is. That is what we should all be asking instead of fighting over how many gave thier lives. This link will give you more info on what they had and how much. http://www.iraqwatch.org/profiles/chemical.html
This is the tip of the iceberg people. If we follow through with this and fight to win, we will send a message that will will not wait until innocent civilians are killed again to do something. And that will cause others (Iran, North Korea) to think twice about what they do and who the help. If we tuck tail and run, the fight will follow us here. The car bombs will be going of in Chicago instead of Bagdad, the civilians killed by insurgents will be here on our streets instead of Ramadi.

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Amen. No one seems to learn from history. The world was full of appeasers when Hitler rose to power and started invading (Terrorizing) his region. We need to squash these bugs before they multiply and spread.

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Amen Brother! Take it from a Vietnam Vet our Country doesn't get it. We do not have the commitment it takes to be a world leader/power. We throw our kids in a war and everyone stands up and says go kick some butt, then they say this is too hard and difficult let's quit. We are a soft people and a nation of quitters. I would never fight again for it and I refused to let my son waste his time or blood for the Baldwins, Streisands, Clintons, Pelosis, etc of the USA.

The funny thing is that our enemy really wants to kill the Baldwins, Streisands, Clintons, Pelosis, etc. the MOST! The people who think no fight is ever right.

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God bless you man!!
You hit the nail on the head. The sad thing is it is the Clintons and the Pelosis who put us in this position. We are there now and we need to do this right this time. If for no other reason then we see first hand what cutting and running does to those invovled. What the government did to you and those you served with in Vietnam is a disgrace. They left thousands behind and never looked back. They wasted the lives of those who died doing what they thought was right. I heard a Sgt in Iraq tell a reporter after the first soldier died we were there for the long haul. It is people like that who will allow us to win this fight. Let the Clintons and Pelosis fight over who gets to stand up infront of the TV and get the glory. The normal everyday guy knows it isn't the politicians who got it done, it is the soldiers, sailors, and Marines who did it.

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False. Saddam and Bin Laden were actually ideological enemies. Perhaps you should spend some time researching instead of believing lies that were proven false years ago.




Another entirely false statement. Saddam didn't have the means to attack the United States, nor did he have any motive to do so. He was very proud that he stood up to us once, but he had nothing to gain from attacking us. Absolutely nothing. Nothing could come from that except total obliteration, and the guy was way too fond of keeping his power.

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So by your logic on the Al Qaeda and Saddam connection (which was proven false, btw), should we start going after ourselves? Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the terrorists who commandeered the airplanes on 9-11 IN AMERICA? Just cause Al Qaeda have a few members in other countries doesn't mean that the other countries are automatically bad. To make the argument that you made is just plain silly and I'm laughing that more people haven't called you out on that.

There is no doubt that Anthrax, Sarin, and VX are all horrible things that should never have been invented. However, Iraq never had a missile system to reach America with these nasties.

My problem with Bush is that he decided to go after Iraq instead of Al Qaeda, and at the cost of our soldiers lives. And the soldiers keep dying because he's too far gone into committing them there to ever admit he was wrong. And now with him completely ignoring the Commission reports and "staying the course" that hasn't worked, he's setting up the next President to fail from the start. It's almost like a company where the CEO runs the business into the ground and only a miracle can save the day. I truly feel sorry for whoever is next in line after Bush.

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Does anybody here actually know what goes on with our government?


No. So quit acting like you know more than everybody else.

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Does anyone remember that we were attacked by people who had contact with and aide from Saddam?



False. Saddam and Bin Laden were actually ideological enemies. Perhaps you should spend some time researching instead of believing lies that were proven false years ago.

Saddam and Bin Laden had the most powerful thing in common in this situation, a hatered of the US. And if you really did your research you would know that Atta himself enjoyed and extended stay in Iraq as a guest of the government there at the time. Bin Laden and Saddam never meet face to face, that we know of, but there were serveral connections and meetigs between the two orginizations.

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And as for there being no WMD that were outlined as a reason for going into Iraq. There was plenty of Anthrax, Sarin, VX, and god knows what else to kill the entire US population and have a little left over.



Another entirely false statement. Saddam didn't have the means to attack the United States, nor did he have any motive to do so. He was very proud that he stood up to us once, but he had nothing to gain from attacking us. Absolutely nothing. Nothing could come from that except total obliteration, and the guy was way too fond of keeping his power.

[B]Again my friend you are only looking at my one statement, you must look at the overall picture to understand the meaning of this one. First off the fact that me had these WMD was a violation of serveral parts of the peace agreement that ended the first Gulf War. That alone give us enough reason to deal with Saddam in a military fashion. He has proven a willingness to use these weapons against any enemy, foreign or domestic. Second, his involvement with Al Qaeda in conjuction with the fact he has these weapons means we had to do something or Al Qaeda would be using these agents against us right now. Most of these weapons could be easily deployed by a single person in a airport, government building or military installation. As far as Saddam feeling big and bad for standing up to us, he might have. But he never showed a willingness to meet the sanctions places agains his country that would have allowed him to remain their leader. And as far as him having no reason to do so... :duh: ... get real. The first Gulf war itself was more then enough for him. And just because the UN is not willing to put a bite behind its bark does not mean we can't. If you look at our history and that of other, older nations, we did get to where we are by letting others dictate how we defend ourselves.

It is sad to see so many people willing to take the extra step, go the extra mile to find whats wrong with this country and those we elected to run it. If they would put half that effort into standing behind what we are doing over there we might be done by now. Do all of you not realize that the fact that there is no unified front about the War in Iraq is itself giving the terrorist the extra drive to continue what they are doing. In several documents obtained in raids in Iraq they mention the striff that is on going here and plan events they believe will encourage the continued discontent here. It is very possible that if you truely want to end this War and get our soldiers home that fastest way may be to just sit down, shut up, and let Bush do what he is doing.

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sorry but from what i read i think bush is the new hitler
and i think he should be impeached and sent to jail like a common criminal
but you know what if i believed what i read i would be no better informed than you so in other words, me personaly i dont think he is the new hitler but if i believed what i read i would
all newspapers are sensational liars
belive what you see not what you read

and never never believe a story from someone who is making money from telling the story

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i think its so sad that people like you just want to kill other human biengs !!!!!!!!
dude dont be the next attilla the hun
better your karma dont add to it

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The problem with your arguement is that the US never knowing gave the terrorists aide knowing their intentions, and to make connection you just tried to make is crazy. I have never said the fact they were in a country made that country bad. I said any country that gives AIDE to these organizations knowing their purpose does so knowing our stance. And after 9/11 there is no intellegent arguement that any country could not know what Al Qaeda's intent was. So if, in theory, these Al Qaeda members were in Iraq pre 9/11 and then left and never returned you could try and make that arguement. But they allowed Al Qaeda to continue to maintain training camps and recruit from their citizians. In my book that is giving aide and comfort to the enemy.

When we went into Iraq the Bush adminstration outlined several reasons why we were justified in going. These included, but are not limited to, WMD in Iraq and the fact that Iraq had allowed Al Qaeda to operate inside their country. The "Commission" reported about every way possible to run with our tail between our legs. It never gave us a plausable tactic in which we win this war.
And I am sorry to say this, but soldiers die in peace and in war. Of the 3000+ deaths most people don't realize that includes car accidents, heart attacks, and other no-combat related deaths. I will give you my opinion on this, and I have heard this from alot of others. Once the first soldier lost his life we were in it for the long haul. Anything less is dishonor to those who gave their lives and a disgrace to this country.

We did not get to be where we are by running when things get bad. That is why I am ashamed of the way people of my generation are acting about this. We lost 800+ lives in Iraq last year and it is grounds for pulling every American out regardless of the fact it would embolden every thug with a gun around the world. Yet we have citys here where more then half that many people are murdered in a year and we just keep on sweeping it under the rug. These are innocent people with little means to defend themselves, where is the outrage about this. So if you wanna cry over these lost soldiers, I join you in honoring their lives. But don't you dare dishonor them by using them as your justification for running away from the problem

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I guess we should sit by and let people who believe we should die because we don't share their beliefs do their thing huh? This is sick!!! As a human I have the right to not be threatened because I am a "zionist", and I have the right to defend myself if I feel I am threatened because of my beliefs. I believe Bush is doing the best he can in a bad situation. If he did nothing, we would be fighting them here on our streets. You have to face the fact we are living in a world where we are trying to be reasonable with people you can't reason with. :bart:
Karma, at least I get what i deserve based on what I do. I will make my decisions and live with what comes along.

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dude you are a prime example of people who cant be reasoned with
you seem to have horse blinkers on
broaden your horisons
go visit a diffrent country
get out of the house
breath
live a little

it might open new perspectives for you


and they were all lies
i think bush had alterior motives for going to war
i think most of the decition making was based on pride and not fact
and i think his friends in haliberton and the oil barrons made a fortune from his decition

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Stop watching Fox News and get the real story on Canadian news.

Being close to the boarder its what I usually watch and you hear things on their news you will never hear here.



You act as though 3000 deaths isn't a lot.Even if 1/2 those deaths are from the things you stated like car accidents, heart attacks etc 1500 is still way too many. Think of it in terms of your son, your daughter, mother, father whatever the case may be, even one over this war is far too many.

We will be in Iraq for a long time to come and it will end just like Vietnam, everyone looking back smacking ourselves. (No offense meant to any veterans it is still respected what you did putting your life on the line by everyone.)

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I look at everything I can get my hands on and I use it to make my own decisions. Follow this (http://www.iraqwatch.org/wmd/iraqarticle2pg2.pdf) and see what you think about the 'lies". I am not saying this administration has not mishandled this conflict because it has. Just like happened in Vietnam, it is more worried about public opinion then completing what is started. And our decision to go into Iraq one that can be easily defended. You think Bush had alterior motives. Well I can give you facts defending the information he gave to justify his position. You think Haliberton and the oil barrons did this. I can prove that the UN has found that Iraq had secret agreements with Russia and France for oil futures. Do you think that may have had anything to do with their votes against going ito Iraq? I may not see everything because of my "blinkers" but even they let me see more then you are willing to.