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Old 09-05-2008, 10:06 AM   #16
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Re: What do you think about atom smashing?

26 July 1959
A clogged coolant channel resulted in a 30% reactor core meltdown at the Santa Susana Field Laboratory (now known as the Boeing-Rocketdyne Nuclear Facility) in the Simi Hills area of Ventura County, California. Most of the radioactive fission products were trapped, but gasses were vented which resulted in the release of the third greatest amount of radioactive iodine-131 in nuclear history. The incident was largely covered up until a class-action suit was filed by local residents, who successfully sued for $30 million over cancer and thyroid abnormalities contracted due to their proximity to the facility.

2 September 1944
Peter Bragg and Douglas Paul Meigs, two Manhattan Project chemists, were killed when their attempt to unclog a tube in a uranium enrichment device led to an explosion of radioactive uranium hexafluoride gas exploded at the Naval Research Laboratory in Philadelphia, PA. The explosion ruptured nearby steam pipes, leading to a gas and steam combination that bathed the men in a scalding, radioactive, acidic cloud of gas which killed them a short while later.

21 August 1945
Louis Slotin , a physicist, was killed during the final stages of the Manhattan Project undertaken at Los Alamos, New Mexico to develop the first atomic bomb) from a radiation burst released when a critical assembly of fissile material was accidentally brought together by hand. This incident pre-dated remote-control assembly of such components, but the hazards of manual assembly were known at the time (the accident occurred during a procedure known as "tickling the dragon's tail"). A similar incident occurred nine months later (dramatized in the Hollywood movie Fat Man and Little Boy); this time, eight people were exposed, one of whom died days later. Hand-maniuplations of critical assemblies was abandoned only after another accident on 30 December 1958.

2 July 1956
Nine persons were injured when two explosions destroyed a portion of Sylvania Electric Products' Metallurgy Atomic Research Center in Bayside, Queens, New York.

1957
A radiation release at the the Keleket company resulted in a five-month decontamination at a cost of $250,000. A capsule of radium salt (used for calibrating the radiation-measuring devices produced there) burst, contaminating the building for a full five months.

30 December 1958
A nuclear criticality accident occured from a solution in a plutonium recovery operation at Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory in New Mexico. The operator died later of acute radiation sickness. The March, 1961 Journal of Occupational Medicine printed a special supplement devoted to the medical analysis of this accident.

1959
A partial sodium reactor meltdown occurred at the Santa Susana Field Laboratory in Simi Valley Hills, California.

5 October 1966
A sodium cooling system malfunction caused a partial core meltdown at Detroit Edison's Enrico Fermi I demonstration breeder reactor near Detroit, Michigan. Radioactive gases leaked into the containment structures, but radiation was reportedly contained.

1974
Whistleblowers at the Isomedix company in New Jersey reported that radioactive water was flushed down toilets and had contaminated pipes leading to sewers. The same year a worker received a dose of radiation considered lethal, but was saved by prompt hospital treatment.

1982
International Nutronics in Dover, New Jersey, which used radiation baths to purify gems, chemicals, food, and medical supplies, experienced an accident that completely contaminated the plant, forcing its closure. A pump malfunctioned, siphoning water from the baths onto the floor; the water eventually was drained into the sewer system of the heavily populated town of Dover. The NRC wasn't informed of the accident until ten months later -- and then by a whistleblower, not the company. In 1986, the company and one of its top executives were convicted by a federal jury of conspiracy and fraud. Radiation has been detected in the vicinity of the plant, but the NRC claims the levels "aren't hazardous."

1986
The NRC revoked the license of a Radiation Technology, Inc. (RTI) plant in New Jersey for repeated worker safety violations. RTI was cited 32 times for various violations, including throwing radioactive garbage out with the regular trash. The most serious violation was bypassing a safety device to prevent people from entering the irradiation chamber during operation, resulting in a worker receiving a near-lethal dose of radiation.

ca. December 1991
One of four cold fusion cells in a Menlo Park, CA, laboratory exploded while being moved; electrochemist Andrew Riley was killed and three others were injured. The other three cells were buried on site, leading to rumors that a nuclear reaction had taken place. A report concluded that it was a chemical explosion; a mixture of oxygen and deuterium produced by electrolysis ignited when a catalyst was exposed. The Electric Power Research Institute, which spent $2 million on the SRI cold fusion research, suspended support for the work pending the outcome of an investigation
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Old 09-05-2008, 10:29 AM   #17
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Re: What do you think about atom smashing?

what has ANY of that last post got to do with the Large Hadron Collider?

Please, at least TRY to make a point in your own words after you copy & paste the alarmist crap you find.
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Old 09-05-2008, 01:10 PM   #18
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Re: What do you think about atom smashing?

Well, as far as it goes we'll know for sure some time after next Wednesday's start up. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne...icle4682260.ece

It seems like any more there are so many half baked opinions that show up on the internet. This Wagner and his associate appear to have little qualifications in the first place but the reasoning for filing a court case in Hawaii federal court seems like grand standing. What jurisdiction the US Federal court would have on something happening in France and/ or Switzerland is beyond me. Sounds similar to a Bigfoot hoax to me.

If a group of high qualified experienced Nuclear Physicist were concerned, it might scare me. Then with the consideration that if it does destroy the earth, France will be one of the first countries to be sucked into the black hole it produces. That could be highly satisfying.
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Old 09-09-2008, 03:53 PM   #19
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ok yeah...not completely serious, but it was on topic at least.
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Old 09-09-2008, 04:49 PM   #20
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Re: What do you think about atom smashing?

Hoo-ahh! It's powering up 8AM GMT tomorrow morning! Forget global warming, black hole here we come!
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Old 09-09-2008, 07:07 PM   #21
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Re: What do you think about atom smashing?

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If you news has commericals in it, it is not news.......



Bwahahahah Are you serious? So the only "news" by your definition is NPR and PBS which are funded by a combination of government, corporate donations, and multi-millionaire philanthropists? How is that more newsworthy than any other news station? Do you think if NPR said something bad about Wal-Mart, Wal-mart would still donate? Probably not. Just like Wal-mart wouldn't pay for ad time on abc if too much bad stuff was said about them.

Everyone's got to get their funding from somewhere man, and that funding is always subject to being withdrawn.
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Old 09-09-2008, 08:08 PM   #22
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Re: What do you think about atom smashing?

They're firing up this bad-boy tomorrow right? I personally can't wait, black hole or not.
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Old 09-09-2008, 09:32 PM   #23
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Re: What do you think about atom smashing?

I'm all for finding out what this sucker can do!



However, if it creates a black hole that destroys Earth... in hindsight, we probably shouldn't have created it in that case.
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Old 09-10-2008, 11:01 AM   #24
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Re: What do you think about atom smashing?

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'Greatest Physics Experiment Of All Time': Physicists Celebrate First Beam For Large Hadron Collider

ScienceDaily (Sep. 10, 2008) — Scientists today sent the first beam of protons zooming at nearly the speed of light around the 17-mile Large Hadron Collider. The LHC, located at the CERN laboratory near Geneva, Switzerland, is the world's most powerful particle accelerator.

The Boston Muon Consortium (BMC), an unprecedented collaboration of high-energy physicists from Brandeis, Boston University, Harvard, MIT, Tufts, and UMass Amherst, are among an estimated 10,000 people from 60 countries who have helped design and build the accelerator and its massive particle detectors. The BMC worked on the ATLAS detector, the biggest of the experiments on the LHC.

To celebrate the event, Harvard physicist John Huth will give a free public lecture to discuss how the LHC works today at 4 p.m. at 453 Jefferson Hall, 17 Oxford Street, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA.

The first circulating beam is a major accomplishment on the way to the ultimate goal: high-energy beams colliding in the centers of the LHC's particle detectors. BMC scientists and others participating in these experiments will analyze these collisions in search of extraordinary discoveries about the nature of the physical universe. Beyond revealing a new world of unknown particles, the LHC experiments could explain why those particles exist and behave as they do. They could reveal the origins of mass, shed light on dark matter, uncover hidden symmetries of the universe, and possibly find extra dimensions of space.

A powerful collaboration of Boston scientific talent, the BMC designed, constructed, and assembled the endcap muon system, a crucial part of the LHC. Muons are like electrons but are 200 times as heavy and able to penetrate through the large amounts of matter contained inside the ATLAS detector. Starting in 1994, the BMC began the challenging and technically daunting work to design and build a precision endcap muon system for ATLAS to capture the muon particles that scientists believe are signatures of interesting events, potentially shedding light on fundamental questions of nature.

"We hope that the LHC will bring us a deeper understanding of our universe," said Brandeis physicist James Bensinger. "We know that our theories are incomplete; we know something is missing. Where does mass come from? What are the basic laws of physics that describe the universe, and the basic building blocks of matter, and how do they interact with each other?"

For BMC physicists, the excitement about the first beam event is unparalleled. "For much of my career, starting in the early 70's, the standard model of high-energy physics has worked marvelously well but some of its foundations still remained untested," said MIT physicist Frank Taylor. "Theoretical physicists have been very creative over the last three and a half decades with many beautiful ideas which are mathematically consistent but may not represent nature. Now we have an instrument to check these theories and perhaps to find something not even dreamed of. We're very excited!"

Huth added, "After years of working together on this, we're finally ready to rock and roll. The energy range we're about to explore is something that I've been waiting for all of my professional life. It's that important."

In the U.S., more than 1,700 scientists, engineers, students, and technicians from 94 universities and laboratories have been supported by the U.S. Department of Energy Office of Science and the National Science Foundation to set in motion the greatest physics experiment of all time.

Well, they fired that sucker up and we're still here.

Hey, what's this button do?
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Old 09-10-2008, 02:01 PM   #25
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Re: What do you think about atom smashing?

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Well, they fired that sucker up and we're still here.

Hey, what's this button do?

That's the button for the emergency fire suppression system and computer shutdown!
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Old 09-10-2008, 06:38 PM   #26
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Re: What do you think about atom smashing?

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Bwahahahah Are you serious? So the only "news" by your definition is NPR and PBS which are funded by a combination of government, corporate donations, and multi-millionaire philanthropists? How is that more newsworthy than any other news station? Do you think if NPR said something bad about Wal-Mart, Wal-mart would still donate? Probably not. Just like Wal-mart wouldn't pay for ad time on abc if too much bad stuff was said about them.

Everyone's got to get their funding from somewhere man, and that funding is always subject to being withdrawn.


LOL!

People in my circles refer to npr as national petroleum radio...

You and I are in agreement about npr and pbs, and it is unfortunate that you are not aware of public news that is not underwritten...

In addition, this administration has slashed funding to public broadcasting every year....

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What is KPFT?
We're an FM radio station, situated at 90.1 on your radio. We are one of the five stations that comprise what is called the Pacifica Network, a subject we'll explain later.
Nearly 90 percent of our funding comes from individual listener-members. We have no large corporate sponsors. All too often, massive funding arrives with an agenda, not to mention all those commercials! Because of our independence from concentrated control, you can hear the difference between us and any other station in the first 10 or 15 minutes of listening. We are definitely different, and we revel in it
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And this is offsubject, but your post stayed and so should mine, right... LOL!

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what has ANY of that last post got to do with the Large Hadron Collider?

Please, at least TRY to make a point in your own words after you copy & paste the alarmist crap you find.


Sorry to upset you, friend.. If you could define an alarmist's crap, maybe I could use it to help me out.... Because, up until now, I thought it was a vague label used by someone to discredit someone elses pov that is contrary to theirs when they have no defense... Lots of republicans referred to scientists that were warning about the energy crisis and global warming alarmists, but soothsayer is looking to be more accurate label.....



Now for clarification, I was posting things have gone wrong in the past, and sometimes been covered up with other atomic programs, which the super colider is, and I do not think that we have much to worry, but if we do not look to the past we can not make safe decisions about the future.... On a personal note, the original site was supposed to be here, and I was sad to hear that it went overseas, where it will benefit another economy.... But this administration has been writing incentives to move big business overseas, so you would assume that it would be logical for someone else to get the bid....
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Old 09-11-2008, 02:55 AM   #27
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Re: What do you think about atom smashing?

I'd rather die in a blackhole than not find out what this sucker can do. People are always looking for the meaning of life. It's pretty easy. FIgure out what the universe is and how it works. If that search results in the end of the world, then who cares? We weren't really doing much in the scheme of things anyway. <Insert Carl Sagan/Nietzche quote>

BDJ: I wanted to rep you at least three times on this thread.
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Old 09-11-2008, 11:46 AM   #28
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Re: What do you think about atom smashing?

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I'd rather die in a blackhole than not find out what this sucker can do.


Found out today there was nothing to worry about. It's not like they were using Vista on their computers.

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Linux called into service for project that can’t afford a Blue Screen of Death.

The $10 billion Large Hadron Collider (LHC) project which fired its first shot yesterday around its 27km circuit, runs Linux.

InternetNews’ Sean Michael Kerner blogs that CERN, “which is the organisation that runs the LHC project is using something called CernVM which is is custom Linux distribution. According to VMware, CernVM runs inside of VMware virtual machines that include PC and Macs across a grid that encompasses the power of approximately 40 000 CPUs and some 15 petabytes of data a year.”

CERN is also a backer of the Scientific Linux distribution on which the LHC project is apparently based.

More at InternetNews.com.
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