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Old 07-21-2006, 12:44 PM   #16
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Re: Where do you see US politics heading in the future?

Can American politics sink any lower? If it can, that's where we're headed.
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Old 07-22-2006, 01:32 AM   #17
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Re: Where do you see US politics heading in the future?

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...or at all. That would definately not be in either the Democrat or Republican best interests, so they will never allow it. Can anyone say Green Party?



The Green Party won't make a multiple-system party work.

The most likely successful scenario is that enough independent candidates - as in Ventura - are successful so as to ruin the cachet of having a (D) or (R) or even (G) or (L) at the end of your name.

The current system is "us versus them" and adding new parties won't do anything but make the 'them' in that equation larger. Elections are battles, and adding opponents won't make you and your party more likely to succeed. Eliminating parties altogether is what the final result should be.

However, the most likely scenario is that at best a third party is added - and IMO it'll be a more severely conservative party (e.g. Constitution party) than a more liberal one.
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Old 07-23-2006, 03:56 AM   #18
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Re: Where do you see US politics heading in the future?

The "two-party" system is NOT fiction created by Dems and Repubs. It's the natural result of our election system. People--voters--tend to utilize tactical voting, where voters may vote for an option they perceive as having a greater chance of winning over an option they actually prefer (e.g., a left-wing voter voting for a popular moderate candidate over an unpopular leftist candidate, or in order to help defeat a strong right-wing candidate.)

Even if a third party became strong, it does so at the expense of one of the existing two major parties, and the system will re-stabilize into two-party mode after a three-party interlude (as what happened when the Republicans rose up in the 19th century, at the expense of the Whigs).

So it's not some Dem/Repub conspiracy, though both clearly are fine with the system as is. There are ways to change it (adopting, for example, proportional representation systems like is done in much of Europe), but all voting systems have shortcomings of one kind or another, and any such change would require a MAJOR overhaul of the Constitution, and that simply isn't going to happen (especially since both parties in charge do NOT want the system to change).

So where are we headed? It doesn't look good to me. The McCain/Feingold campaign finance reform has reduced the power of moderates in each party (see: Joe Lieberman), while talk radio and blogs tend to promote extremism on both sides. Partisanship used to "end at America's shores", but clearly that's not the case anymore--politicians will criticize the other party simply to make them look bad, with no regard to what's actually right or how the infighting looks to the rest of the world (particularly those that would do the U.S. harm). Meanwhile, current crises (terrorism in general, N. Korea, Iran) and future problems/crises (Social Security, medicare, trade and current account deficits, China, potential oil crises, potential use of nukes against U.S. cities, Europe, or Israel, etc.) need a federal government that can work to resolve problems. I'm not sure of our ability to deal with such issues. So I'm thinking of buying property in Costa Rica...time to go brush up on mi Espanol.
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Old 07-23-2006, 03:10 PM   #19
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Re: Where do you see US politics heading in the future?

I tend to have more of an anachistic point of view. "the best president is no presidnet."
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Old 08-02-2006, 04:13 PM   #20
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Re: Where do you see US politics heading in the future?

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My opinion... the more parties (choices) you have, the better 1 person will suit the needs of this country. Sad part is that this may not ever happen in my lifetime...



I have to disagree. No matter how many parties you have it will always come down to a basic two party vote. If there are more parties then in order to govern, coalitions have to be formed. For coalitions to form they have to at least agree on something. This happens in Israel and Germany and Canada among many others. We basically have the same things but our parties are already coalitions. Simple example: you have the environmentalist party and the anti-war party. In Germany, they are separate parties who merge in order to govern. In the U.S. they are the democrats. (for the record, not a shot agains dems)
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