Anyone tried E?

[Indigenous]

What were your experiences with it? Good/bad aspects?

[orange_kush86]

if you're an uppers kinda guy i would say that you will enjoy the high. however, i was very uncomfortable both times i tried it. you need a really good friend to do it with, and afterwards, you need to get 5HTP pills from GNC or another nutrition store; they aid your body in producing serotonin when yours was all used up. so think about it...

[rogatory]

MDMA [3,4-methylenedioxy-methamphetamine: 'Ecstasy']

This how we like to X: My wife and I use it with a couple of close friends a few times a year, at home. We enjoy the experience a lot more away from crowds or public areas. It’s feels safer for everybody. We take the car keys away from our guests, no drives from our house X’ing. We set up the house by darkening the windows, a couple of candles (well monitored), 5HTP, some choices of water or Gatorade on hand, dum dums, a palate of blankets and pillows, kick ass music (generally techno or trance for the beat), and a dance area.

If you plan on trying X, I advise you do it with some one who is experienced. The first time may be quite a bit different from other things you may have tried, especially the first ½ hour or so when it starts to kick in, that part can be quite intense, and they can talk you through it.
I see from you website one of your interests is massage, X can help massaging another or receiving a massage better than you can ever imagine. It really enhances your touch and feel.

The only drawbacks I have experienced were;
slight dehydration
feeling lousy a couple of days later (cured by taking 2 prozac while coming down)
and taking something we were told was X but was probably specialK and a speed mix, YUCK.

Education is defiantly the key. Do your homework!
Google MDMA and do some research yourself. Personally I don’t give much validity to websites dedicated to abolishing or bashing X (IE government websites). But reading their drivel is part of the education, just take it with a grain of salt.
mdma dot net is a VERY good source for educating yourself about the drug; just don’t expect to read it in one sitting.

I could go on and on about MDMA but this being only my second post I will stop. Good luck in you quest if you choose to give it a try.

[idontknow2075]

do they cut E with anything like they do with acid?

[Jimi]

It is, in my opinion, one of the most rediculous chemicals people put into their body. First of all, it dehydrates you like crazy. People have been known to die of strokes/aneurisms the first time they've done it, it rushes you with seratonin, then drains you, etc. It does cause parts of your brain to shut down with extended use, causing the hole-like areas in MRIs.

[Jimi]

Originally Posted by idontknow2075

do they cut E with anything like they do with acid?

E is always cut. In some samples, you can find a heroin base, in some samples, you can find another kind of speed base. E in itself is a speed "methamphetamine". When you add speed to an already existing speed, dangerous reactions can occur.

[orange_kush86]

Jimi is correct, the smack-based rolls are designed for less of a comedown after the high, while speed based rolls enhance the overall experience. Sometimes you will have different experiences with the same beans because of improper smack-to-MDMA or speed-to-MDMA ratios. However, Jimi is also right in saying that E is pretty f-in bad for your body and your head.

[rogatory]

With all due respect, as I said before, educate yourself first. The people who died of dehydration were dancing for hours on end without breaks they just didn’t re-hydrate or rest.
The “holes” story is an urban legend propagated by the press.
The long-term effects? No one knows for sure since the DEA illegally made MDMA a Schedule 1 drug, keeping scientist from studying it.

Now to the “is it cut question”; Answer is I don’t know. MDMA is a chemical all in itself. It’s cheap to make, about 20 cents each. (Although by time it gets to the consumer it costs around $15-$25) So it would seem ridiculous to cut the tabs with a MUCH more expensive drug such as heroin.
E itself is not speed. Some manufacturers produce tabs that appear to be E, but is speed/MDA. (MDA is a cousin to MDMA) My guess this is directed to the club kids who don’t know any better or assume the kids will just dance like crazy and not notice.

Please get as much information about anything you ingest, even prescription’s, you just might be surprised. Also, don’t take anything you read on the www as gospel, use common sense.

Having said that, this link will take you to a wealth of information about the subject:
http://www.mdma.net/ecstasy/index.html

[Jimi]

Originally Posted by rogatory

With all due respect, as I said before, educate yourself first. The people who died of dehydration were dancing for hours on end without breaks they just didn’t re-hydrate or rest.
The “holes” story is an urban legend propagated by the press.
The long-term effects? No one knows for sure since the DEA illegally made MDMA a Schedule 1 drug, keeping scientist from studying it.

Now to the “is it cut question”; Answer is I don’t know. MDMA is a chemical all in itself. It’s cheap to make, about 20 cents each. (Although by time it gets to the consumer it costs around $15-$25) So it would seem ridiculous to cut the tabs with a MUCH more expensive drug such as heroin.
E itself is not speed. Some manufacturers produce tabs that appear to be E, but is speed/MDA. (MDA is a cousin to MDMA) My guess this is directed to the club kids who don’t know any better or assume the kids will just dance like crazy and not notice.

Please get as much information about anything you ingest, even prescription’s, you just might be surprised. Also, don’t take anything you read on the www as gospel, use common sense.

Having said that, this link will take you to a wealth of information about the subject:
http://www.mdma.net/ecstasy/index.html

Time for you to do a little more research. The "holes" are not exactly holes, but lessend brain activity shown in MRIs. Shown are two pictures, one of a healthy brain, one of the brain of a regular MDMA user. Again, these are not really holes, but they show up as holes because the particular affected areas are not producing constant activity. This is not urban legend, this is reality, whether you like it or not.

Healthy Brain:


Regular MDMA user:


Just because you use and/or advocate the use of this particular substance, doesn't mean that it's not bad for a person. The reason it dehydrates people is not because of the dancing, but because of the methamphetamines. Dancing doesn't cause someone to dehydrate so much thay they collapse or die. There are reasons healthy people would just fall over and die.

[Jimi]

Originally Posted by rogatory

E itself is not speed. Some manufacturers produce tabs that appear to be E, but is speed/MDA. (MDA is a cousin to MDMA) My guess this is directed to the club kids who don’t know any better or assume the kids will just dance like crazy and not notice.

You're backward, and E is a speed. You can't tell me Methamphetamines aren't speed? This is a chemical composition including methamphetamines, which are, in fact, a type of speed.

And, how was it "illegally made a class 1 drug"? The FDA researches and administers laws because of the evidence shown to them. They make the laws. This compound has "MA". Methamphetamines are illegal as it is. There is nothing illegal about the FDA making a drug illegal just because you like the particular drug.

[Caperboy]

Jimi, I have heard you spout a lot of things on this website. I have also heard you call people idiots for not knowing what they are talking about. Well... this time Jimi, you have no idea what you are talking about. You can read all the websites in the world and still not know a thing about it. I'm tired of you spouting sh*t about things of which you do not know, other than reading on some website. It sounds to me like you have never even taken the drug...
Here's quotes from you and what I think of them:

"First of all, it dehydrates you like crazy. People have been known to die of strokes/aneurisms the first time they've done it,"
My retort: Alcohol dehydrates you like crazy as well as a lot of other drugs. How thirsty do you get after smoking a big spliff???!?!? It's no reason to exclude a drug as undesireable. Also people have been known to die from stupid things like a bee sting or an unknown allergic reaction to antiboitics and other legitimate medication. Who cares. That statement is meaningless and silly...

"E is always cut. In some samples, you can find a heroin base, in some samples, you can find another kind of speed base. E in itself is a speed "methamphetamine". When you add speed to an already existing speed, dangerous reactions can occur."
My retort: E is not always cut. You can actually get pure MDMA if you know the right people. Not all dealers are twats who want to rip you off. Sure, if you are a "green" college student looking to buy drugs in a back alley of some city, you might not get what you want, but if you actually know what you are doing, you can get pure E. In short, not all E is cut with something... Plus, I have added amphetamines on top of other amphetamines many, many times and not had any problems, EVER!!! You just have to be sensible about it.

"Time for you to do a little more research. The "holes" are not exactly holes, but lessend brain activity shown in MRIs. Shown are two pictures, one of a healthy brain, one of the brain of a regular MDMA user. Again, these are not really holes, but they show up as holes because the particular affected areas are not producing constant activity. This is not urban legend, this is reality, whether you like it or not."
My retort: Bahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!! Where do you get this stuff from? That brain scan could have been from anything, you probably believe that the moon landing was fake b/c you have read it on some conspiracy theory website! hahahaha!!! For your information, lessened brain activity, as you put it, could be caused by anything from sleep to anti-psychotic medication to a brain defect of some sort. Please explain the details of the experiment of which you are quoting this information from. Were the conclusions drawn from this one brain scan or was there a meaningful comparison with others? How many others? Were natural diseases or other environmental factors excluded from causing the result in the scan? If the damage was in fact caused by E use, how extensive was the E use? Let me guess, you don't know... That's what I thought...

Now back to the question posed by Indigenous... Despite what Jimi says, the drug is quite an important one to take. It is an amazing rush that you will not forget in your life. The feeling of MDMA coming on is incredible and beautiful. You learn to relate to others in a way you could not have conceived of before the drug. This understanding remains with you long after you sober up. You have the same chance of dying from it on your first try as you do getting hit by a bus crossing the road. E is a wonderful drug and when I have children that are old enough (in their 20's), I will probably suggest that we take it together. E is, in comparison to a lot of other drugs, fairly safe. As i say this, E is still an illegal drug and its use should be carefully considered. Drugs are not for everyone and not everyone should be taking E. If you have any known heart problems or if you suffer from anxiety attacks, E is not for you. If you suffer from pre-exist heart defects and you do not know it, E can be quite dangerous. But this can be said about a lot of things. In the case of MDMA on a scale of drugs ranging from 1 to 10, 10 meaning death on the first try, 1 meaning you have absolutely no chance of dying whatsoever, E is probably a 2 or 3. The feeling from E that you get on a scale from 1 to 10, 10 being a physical orgasm, E is about an 8. That is pretty good and it lasts longer than an orgasm.

There were times that I was taking E at least twice a week for about 3 and a half years. I developed no dependancy on the drug, physical or otherwise. However, it stopped doing what it was supposed to do after a while, and I found myself not enjoying myself, so i stopped taking it so much. I still enjoy the odd pill, but only once or twice a year.

[Jimi]

Originally Posted by Caperboy

Jimi, I have heard you spout a lot of things on this website. I have also heard you call people idiots for not knowing what they are talking about. Well... this time Jimi, you have no idea what you are talking about. You can read all the websites in the world and still not know a thing about it. I'm tired of you spouting sh*t about things of which you do not know, other than reading on some website. It sounds to me like you have never even taken the drug...
Here's quotes from you and what I think of them:

"First of all, it dehydrates you like crazy. People have been known to die of strokes/aneurisms the first time they've done it,"
My retort: Alcohol dehydrates you like crazy as well as a lot of other drugs. How thirsty do you get after smoking a big spliff???!?!? It's no reason to exclude a drug as undesireable. Also people have been known to die from stupid things like a bee sting or an unknown allergic reaction to antiboitics and other legitimate medication. Who cares. That statement is meaningless and silly...

"E is always cut. In some samples, you can find a heroin base, in some samples, you can find another kind of speed base. E in itself is a speed "methamphetamine". When you add speed to an already existing speed, dangerous reactions can occur."
My retort: E is not always cut. You can actually get pure MDMA if you know the right people. Not all dealers are twats who want to rip you off. Sure, if you are a "green" college student looking to buy drugs in a back alley of some city, you might not get what you want, but if you actually know what you are doing, you can get pure E. In short, not all E is cut with something... Plus, I have added amphetamines on top of other amphetamines many, many times and not had any problems, EVER!!! You just have to be sensible about it.

"Time for you to do a little more research. The "holes" are not exactly holes, but lessend brain activity shown in MRIs. Shown are two pictures, one of a healthy brain, one of the brain of a regular MDMA user. Again, these are not really holes, but they show up as holes because the particular affected areas are not producing constant activity. This is not urban legend, this is reality, whether you like it or not."
My retort: Bahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!! Where do you get this stuff from? That brain scan could have been from anything, you probably believe that the moon landing was fake b/c you have read it on some conspiracy theory website! hahahaha!!! For your information, lessened brain activity, as you put it, could be caused by anything from sleep to anti-psychotic medication to a brain defect of some sort. Please explain the details of the experiment of which you are quoting this information from. Were the conclusions drawn from this one brain scan or was there a meaningful comparison with others? How many others? Were natural diseases or other environmental factors excluded from causing the result in the scan? If the damage was in fact caused by E use, how extensive was the E use? Let me guess, you don't know... That's what I thought...

Now back to the question posed by Indigenous... Despite what Jimi says, the drug is quite an important one to take. It is an amazing rush that you will not forget in your life. The feeling of MDMA coming on is incredible and beautiful. You learn to relate to others in a way you could not have conceived of before the drug. This understanding remains with you long after you sober up. You have the same chance of dying from it on your first try as you do getting hit by a bus crossing the road. E is a wonderful drug and when I have children that are old enough (in their 20's), I will probably suggest that we take it together. E is, in comparison to a lot of other drugs, fairly safe. As i say this, E is still an illegal drug and its use should be carefully considered. Drugs are not for everyone and not everyone should be taking E. If you have any known heart problems or if you suffer from anxiety attacks, E is not for you. If you suffer from pre-exist heart defects and you do not know it, E can be quite dangerous. But this can be said about a lot of things. In the case of MDMA on a scale of drugs ranging from 1 to 10, 10 meaning death on the first try, 1 meaning you have absolutely no chance of dying whatsoever, E is probably a 2 or 3. The feeling from E that you get on a scale from 1 to 10, 10 being a physical orgasm, E is about an 8. That is pretty good and it lasts longer than an orgasm.

There were times that I was taking E at least twice a week for about 3 and a half years. I developed no dependancy on the drug, physical or otherwise. However, it stopped doing what it was supposed to do after a while, and I found myself not enjoying myself, so i stopped taking it so much. I still enjoy the odd pill, but only once or twice a year.

Wow. That's really all I can say. I guess if you tell yourself soemthing so many times, that makes it so in your own little world. Yes, alcohol dehydrates you. So what? That doesn't mean that E doesn't. Yes, you can get MDMA in its purest, how often? 99% of the time, you don't.

E is an important drug to take? Man, as I've pointed out, just because you agree with a particular drug, and condone its use, does not mean it's as all-powerful as you want it to be. I've done it, I know what it feels like, and I personally believe that the negatives far outweight the positives. They must break chemistry down differently there in NZ.

As a side-note, education is one thing. If you're going to use previous posts against me, use something with substance. I called someone an idiot one time, and your lurking ass only found it because there was shit posted all over about my banning.

As far as the factores leading up to the brain scan.... Why is it that all of the regular ecstacy users show limited brain function? I know there are other things that cause this.... but you can't say that these tests that are done on ecstacy users all show up like this has nothing to do with the MDMA itself. This irrefutable evidence that people go on about is one article in the New Science magazine in the UK in 2000. It's been found to be obsolete, but people who want to believe it do. It's like a religion. It's all about faith.

[rogatory]

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury;
I have pointed out a few things with the intent to educate anyone who might be interested in the “E” debate (since this is what this has become), and have no intention of flaming others in this community as Jimi has. But…

Jimi has not referenced anything but has only given his opinion. He also posted a couple of pictures with the intent to show validity to his rambling, even though he did not mention where he copied them.

Here are just a few links to reputable places that SITE references, since I don’t have the inkling or time to post all the information I have researched.

1) This one will show you the pictures Jimi so poorly pointed out:
http://thedea.org/neurotoxicity.html Scroll down to see the same pics and read how this story began.

2) This one is long and rather dry, but scroll down to page N61, N62 and N63 to read some interesting facts.
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/factbook.pdf
3) Monkeys allowed to self-administer 'Ecstasy' do not show brain damage
What happens when you give a group of monkeys a pile of MDMA and a year and a half to use it? Binging, but no obvious brain damage, say researchers at the University of Michigan Medical School.
The monkeys were given the ability to self-dose with MDMA at various times by pressing a button connected to an IV pump. Typically, the monkeys would self-administer 2-3 mg/kg of MDMA per session when given unrestricted access (comparable to many human users), but binges of as much as 15 mg/kg were also recorded (equivalent to a 145 pound human taking about 14 average 'ecstasy' tablets in a single session.) Total MDMA consumption over the 18-month period was in the range of 120-250 mg/kg (roughly equivalent to a 145 pound person taking 110-235 'ecstasy' tablets.)
When the period of self-administration was over, the monkey's brains were analyzed for levels of serotonin, dopamine, and a protein found in serotonin and dopamine neurons. In every test, the MDMA-using monkey's brains were indistinguishable from those of monkeys that did not receive drugs, suggesting that little or no neurotoxic damage occurred.
http://www.maps.org/w3pb/new/2004/20...si_20541_1.pdf
I will address Jimi’s “E” flame later, if I feel I should, but debating him would obviously be akin to arguing with tree stump.
Caperboy, Thank you.

[Jimi]

I've not flamed anyone. If you feel as such, you must be a bit threatened by my actual knowledge on the subject. Your sites are biased, unscientific sources. You're reaching, and I'm curious to know why. I mean, you obviously like taking, and condoning the use of X, but why hide the actual evidence. I got my pictures from the same place the site you used as an example got them from. Tell my why this, if it's not true, is a regular occurance in ecstacy users?

"...and have no intention of flaming others in this community as Jimi has". You have 4 posts! So what? I've been here for almost 2 years, and have 3k+ posts. Who cares what your intentions after 4 posts is? Trying to gain patronization and then using unsubstantial websites will not prove your point anymore than you already haven't.

[Jimi]

Also, I don't know if you noticed, but the same site that you're using as an example also says that MDMA decreases the amount of blood allowed to the brain, which goes back to normal in 3-4 weeks. If you're a constant X user, how is the blood flow going to go back to normal?