Let me start by saying that I am a proud gun owner, and that I count in my family many gun collectors, at least one gun shop owner, and an uncle-in-law who has (unlike the vast majority of gun owners) actually used his gun to stop a spree killing before it began (in Glasgow, MT).
That said, many of the posters in this thread are being paranoid and ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by Juan.Camaney  I didn't say you were anti-gun, I asked if you had ever read any of the NRA's publications? I asked if your biased opinion was formed on your own by reading their publications and developing your own opinion, or if you just read a headline here and there and had someone else say it was fearmongering. |
I was an NRA member from 1987 to 2002, when I finally became so tired of their hysteria, lies and misrepresentations that I could no longer in good conscience give them money or support them.
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The amendment says that the specific right shall not be infringed upon. That means we have the right to keep and bear arms PERIOD. Not just arms that legislators feel are safe for us to keep (ban on assault rifles) not just arms that are for hunting (pocket rocket bans in certain cities), not limiting round capacity! It says nothing about flash supressors being illegal. Nothing about engraving numbers on bullets, or guns for that matter.
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No, point of fact, the second amendment does
not say that, and it does not mean that. You know very well that the second amendment is not a free pass that gives everyone the right to own any weapon they want. You are entirely ignoring the militia clause, just like every other gun-nut out there does -- when it's convenient!
The second amendment says that
being necessary to the security of a free State and a well regulated militia the people's right to bear arms shall not be infringed. It is a well-established fact of US law that if a citizen wants access to weapons beyond small arms used for self-defense they must join a branch of the US military, such as the national guard. You know already that it is illegal to own bombs, rocket launchers, missiles, and other heavy ordnance.
Yet if we are to believe the statements you make in this post, those are all protected by the 2nd! But the reality is that they are not, and you're squealing to the contrary doesn't make it true.
If we we're to listen to people like you, this country would be reduced to a chaotic warzone, and our cities would become as awful as places like Terhan and Bagdad, with anyone able to commit atrocious acts of terrorism with ease.
But of course, as sane and reasonable people, we understand that ordinary citizens do not need assault weapons and flash suppressors. The people who need these things are the military, law enforcement and criminals. So if you want to play with them, join the military or become a cop. And if you can't do either (they screen out most of the real whack-jobs), then maybe it's for the best you not get them.
As for the rest of the paranoia in this thread, I would remind gun advocates of two very important facts:
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It's still easier to get a gun than a car. I am personally in favor of gun licenses and gun registration. We require licenses and registration for cars, and guns require at least as much responsibility as cars.
Furthermore, despite decades of the government having a list of every person who owns a car, they have never rounded up all the car owners and thrown them in a gulag. Because that is a ridiculous paranoid fantasy, and if you are so out of touch with reality that you think you are in some sort of danger because you own a licensed and registered firearm, then honestly I don't think you are mentally stable enough to own one.
Gun control laws only ensure that the only guns owned are owned by responsible citizens willing to accept the consequences of their actions. If it were required, I would gladly license my registered firearm. I have no intention of murdering anyone with my gun, and so I see absolutely no reason to worry if the police can trace it back to me.
If you think you have reason to worry that your gun will be traced back to you, then I seriously have to question what sort of crime you are planning to commit with it. Only criminals, terrorists and paranoids want guns no-one else knows about.
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No one is ever going to overthrow the American government violently. Please, get this through your heads. Your guns will not stop the US government. People have tried to start violent revolutions in this country. Go research the history of the Weather Underground, and recognize the reality of the situation: between local police departments and the FBI, any attempt to create a revolutionary army has no chance AT ALL of succeeding.
One man against the state is a
terrorist. One man against the government is that guy who shot up the Holocaust Museum: a lone psycho disconnected from reality. If it's you vs the state, YOU LOSE.
If you want to keep America a free society, then don't vote for fascists who promise you they won't enact gun control, vote for people who support an open government that discloses all the facts to its people. Vote for people who support fair and honest elections. Vote for people who genuinely appreciate the diversity of opinion that makes America great.
Because those are the things that guarantee our freedom, not our guns.
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