Joe Biden: The Michael Crichton of Politics

[YaMon]

Rove Calls Biden 'Liar' After VP Boasts of Scolding Bush
Aides to former President George W. Bush are challenging the veracity of Vice President Joe Biden's claim this week of having privately castigated Bush.

Republican strategist Karl Rove called Vice President Biden a "liar" on Thursday, dramatically escalating a feud between Biden and aides to former President George W. Bush over Biden's claims to have rebuked Bush in private meetings.

"I hate to say this, but he's a serial exaggerator," Rove told FOX News. "If I was being unkind I would say liar. But it is a habit he ought to drop."

Rove added: "You should not exaggerate and lie like this when you are the Vice President of the United States."

Biden's office did not immediately respond to a request for comment, although Biden spokesman Jay Carney told Fox on Wednesday: "The vice president stands by his remarks."

Carney was referring to two controversial assertions by Biden, the latest coming Tuesday during an interview on CNN.

"I remember President Bush saying to me one time in the Oval Office," Biden began, "'Well, Joe,' he said, 'I'm a leader.' And I said: 'Mr. President, turn and around look behind you. No one is following.'"

The exchange is purely "fictional," said Rove, who was Bush's top political adviser in the White House.

"It didn't happen," Rove, a FOX News contributor and former Bush adviser, told Megyn Kelly in an interview taped for "On The Record." "It's his imagination; it's a made-up, fictional world.

"He ought to get out of it and get back to reality," Rove added. "He's making this up out of whole cloth."

Rove's skepticism was echoed by a variety of other Bush aides, including former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer, chief of staff Andy Card and legislative liaison Candida Wolff.

They also disputed a similar assertion made by Biden in2004, when the former senator from Delaware told scores of Democratic colleagues at a lunch that he had challenged Bush's moral certitude about the Iraq war during a private meeting in the Oval Office. Two years later, Biden repeated his story about dressing down the president.

"When I speak to the president - and I have had plenty of opportunity to be with the president, at least prior to the last election, a lot of hours alone with him. I mean, meaning me and his staff," Biden said on HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher" in April2006. "And the president will say things to me, and I'll literally turn to the president, say: 'Mr. President, how can you say that, knowing you don't know the facts?' And he'll look at me and he'll say - my word - he'll look at me and he'll say: 'My instincts.' He said: 'I have good instincts.' I said: 'Mr. President, your instincts aren't good enough.'"

On Thursday, Rove ridiculed the claim that Biden spent "a lot of hours alone with" Bush.

"Joe Biden was never alone with the president for more than few moments," Rove said. "There was staff in the room the whole time."

Rove was equally appalled by Biden's claims of having given Bush his comeuppance.

"If you notice, all of these incidents have the same structure: Joe Biden courageously raises the impudent question; the president befuddles the answer; and Joe Biden drives home the dramatic response."

Rove scoffed at Biden's claims that "he and the president were sitting there in the Oval Office, he was tutoring the president, he was asking him the critical questions that no one was willing to confront him with."

"With all due respect to the vice president, these are the kind of things you can get away with if you are a United States Senator, ora backbencher in the U.S. House of Representatives," Rove said. "You should not exaggerate and lie like this when you are the Vice President of the United States."

Carney declined to specify the dates of his boss's purported Oval Office scoldings of Bush. Nor would he provide witnesses or notes to corroborate the episodes.

Throughout his career, Biden has often been accused of boasting about his accomplishments, embellishing his credentials and even stealing the words of others. He dropped out of the 1988 presidential race after being accused of plagiarizing British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock.

Last July, Biden came under fire for telling a questionable story about being "shot at" in Iraq. When questioned by the Hill newspaper, Biden backpedaled by saying: "I was near where a shot landed."

Biden went on to say that some sort of projectile "landed" outside a building in the Green Zone where he and another senator had spent the night during a visit in December 2005. The lawmakers were shaving in the morning when they felt the building shake, Biden said.

"No one got up and ran from the room-it wasn't that kind of thing," he told the Hill. "It's not like I had someone holding a gun to my head."

In September, Biden again raised eyebrows with another story about his exploits in war zones -- this time on "the superhighway of terror between Pakistan and Afghanistan, where my helicopter was forced down."

"If you want to know where Al Qaeda lives, you want to know where bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me," Biden bragged to the National Guard Association. "Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are."

But it turns out that inclement weather, not terrorists, prompted the chopper to land in an open field during Biden's visit to Afghanistan in February 2008. Fighter jets kept watch overhead while a convoy of security vehicles was dispatched to retrieve Biden and fellow Sens. Chuck Hagel and John Kerry.

"We were going to send Biden out to fight the Taliban with snowballs, but we didn't have to," joked Kerry, a Democrat, to the AP. "Other than getting a little cold, it was fine."

[mstad]

[procol]

Karl Rove: cat vomit

[YaMon]

Originally Posted by mstad

Originally Posted by procol

Karl Rove: cat vomit

Way to dig deep!!!

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by mstad

x2

With everything else going on in the world right now, THIS is actually considered a newsworthy story to someone?

Wow.

[michaeljohn]

This is the first thing I have heard about Biden since he was elected. Is that good or bad?

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by YaMon

Way to dig deep!!!

I think their reactions are as relevant to most people as the story you posted (not at all).

[YaMon]

Originally Posted by Ryan

I think their reactions are as relevant to most people as the story you posted (not at all).

I love it. Fucking liberals posted shit like this, though rarely even based on facts, and kept the news humming for 8 years.

Cheney was made out to be Darth Vader. Bush was an idiot.

Cawks don't like to hear that one of their own is being taken to task for being a buffoon and it's "why is this news?"

[Ryan]

Show me where Biden leaked confidential information and it'll be news.
The New York Times > Washington > Image > Two Years After Leak, Investigation Continues

Show me where Biden had improper dealings with lobbyists and it'll be news.
Lobbyists: Sports Tickets and Springsteen--The E-Mail Trail | Newsweek Periscope | Newsweek.com

Show me where Biden was held in contempt by a house panel for not testifying regarding his political interference in the justice department and it'll be news.
t r u t h o u t | House Panel Votes to Cite Rove for Contempt

Being accused of exaggerating in a conversation that doesn't matter is not newsworthy. There are plenty of things democrats have done wrong recently- pick of those as a topic to spew your political agenda. This is just silly.

[BackdoorJesus]

oooh careful YaMon don't you dare criticize the sambobama administration or else WR's Great Defenders of the Democratic Faith will get sand in their respective vaginas.

[licupssy]

Originally Posted by BackdoorJesus

oooh careful YaMon don't you dare criticize the sambobama administration or else WR's Great Defenders of the Democratic Faith will get sand in their respective vaginas.

Yahoo consider it a top story a couple hours ago. At least, now you know Biden didn't die or something. First thing I've heard about him since the Inauguration.

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by BackdoorJesus

oooh careful YaMon don't you dare criticize the sambobama administration or else WR's Great Defenders of the Democratic Faith will get sand in their respective vaginas.

What are we... 5?

Are you guys trying to start an internet fight over politics?

you're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine

criticize the administration all you want if it makes you happy- just be prepared for a comeback if it's stupid, wrong, or from the GOP playbook

whatever party is in power is going to have people with opposing views criticizing them all of the time- it's the content of your criticism that determines the comeback

if you say "Obama administration spending like crazy with no end in sight" as a topic, I'm not going to say a damn thing- that is pure fact, and it is a valid point that is relevant

This whole thread feels like a "my dad can beat up your dad" thing. If you think your dad can beat up my dad because my dad has weaker muscles and less training- at least you have a valid argument. If you think your dad can beat up my dad because of something my dad said about your dad a few years ago, you're full of shit and that has absolutely no bearing on anything.

I swear you guys are just picking fights for sport now, simply because you know you'll get a rise out of people.

[BackdoorJesus]

Originally Posted by Ryan

I swear you guys are just picking fights for sport now, simply because you know you'll get a rise out of people.

of course we are, dipshit - it's BOTH.

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by BackdoorJesus

of course we are, dipshit - it's BOTH.

fair enough

[BackdoorJesus]

that's the spirit!