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joerockhead
12-29-2009, 11:03 PM
Yes, many of you will think that this is long overdue, or what is the big deal. But, since most of you have never worked in the US Government intelligence industry, you will not understand the implications this will have.

Be releasing this info, it will give up people that we had working for us. Ways we gathered info, means of intercept, money's spent, and much more.

the Lies during the campaign are coming out, and those that are sold on him will find ways to justify this. Next we will see is Nuke Weapons info, and agents that are abroad working to try and keep this country safe.


yes, Selling out the country.

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama on Tuesday ordered the federal government to rethink how it protects the nation's secrets, in a move that was expected to declassify more than 400 million pages of Cold War-era documents and curb the number of government records hidden from the public.

Among the changes is a requirement that every record be released eventually and that federal agencies review how and why they mark documents classified or deny the release of historical records. A National Declassification Center at the National Archives will be established to assist them and help clear a backlog of the Cold War records by Dec. 31, 2013.

Obama also reversed a decision by President George W. Bush that had allowed the intelligence community to block the release of a specific document, even if an interagency panel decided the information wouldn't harm national security.

Advocates for a more open government are cautiously cheering the move.

"Everything will depend on implementation," said Steven Aftergood, director of the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists. But the order "has tremendous potential to reduce the level of secrecy throughout the government."

In a memo to agency heads, Obama said he expects that the order will produce "measurable progress" toward greater openness in government while also protecting the nation's most important secrets.

"I will closely monitor the results," he promised.

The still-classified Cold War records would provide a wealth of data on U.S.-Soviet relations, including the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the fall of the Berlin Wall, diplomacy and espionage. A Soviet spy ring in the Navy led by John Walker headlined 1985, which became known as "The Year of the Spy."

On his first day in office, Obama instructed federal agencies to be more responsive to requests for records under the Freedom of Information Act and he overturned an order by Bush that would have enabled former presidents and vice presidents to block release of sensitive records of their time in the White House.

The government spent more than $8.21 billion last year to create and safeguard classified information, and $43 million to declassify it, according to the Information Security Oversight Office, which oversees the government's security classification. The figures don't include data from the principal intelligence agencies, which is classified.

supersatch
12-29-2009, 11:39 PM
He also declassified the Army interrogation manual and allowed the ACLU to give pics and names of CIA agents to Gitmo prisioners. The same ones that are going back to their insurgent groups right now because he decided they could be released.

The world is not well in the realm of the secret squrrels.

I though you were a purple shirt?

joerockhead
12-30-2009, 10:46 PM
He also declassified the Army interrogation manual and allowed the ACLU to give pics and names of CIA agents to Gitmo prisioners. The same ones that are going back to their insurgent groups right now because he decided they could be released.

The world is not well in the realm of the secret squrrels.

I though you were a purple shirt?

Exactly - He is doing this to destroy us.
Why else would the terrorists get to come to the states for trials, so the CIA can be called and questioned, thus Identified.

I am NOT a purple shirt, never have been. I will listen to ideas and try to make a fair choice, but when my freedoms are cut out, I get pissed. No matter what shitty political party is doing it.

and they both are now.

supersatch
12-30-2009, 11:21 PM
Even I had my eyes opened about a month ago when you had pointed out the repercussions of the NYC civillian trials of the 9/11 guys. I had never thought about using the civilian court system to declassify and find out methods and involvement of the previous administration. It was an interesting view.

fmb
01-01-2010, 08:58 PM
Even I had my eyes opened about a month ago when you had pointed out the repercussions of the NYC civillian trials of the 9/11 guys. I had never thought about using the civilian court system to declassify and find out methods and involvement of the previous administration. It was an interesting view.

The "discovery" process is a bitch, isn't it. From a different perspective, did you ever consider the liberal attorney's may use information from the discovery process in these trials to identify methods used by the government to gather, log, sort, and utilize clandestine intelligence information. These tactics could then be used against the government for other protests the organization may develop.

If you gather enough pages, eventually you have an entire book.

Krasch
01-02-2010, 02:17 AM
Yes, many of you will think that this is long overdue, or what is the big deal. But, since most of you have never worked in the US Government intelligence industry, you will not understand the implications this will have.

Be releasing this info, it will give up people that we had working for us. Ways we gathered info, means of intercept, money's spent, and much more.

the Lies during the campaign are coming out, and those that are sold on him will find ways to justify this. Next we will see is Nuke Weapons info, and agents that are abroad working to try and keep this country safe.


yes, Selling out the country.

I myself have surely said much the same thing at times here. There is a reason that sometimes intel is not easily verifiable. Because to do so would endanger our ability to gather further intel by our sources being discovered and "removed". In the absence of corroborating evidence, the powers that be have to make their best estimates with what they have, as Bush did pre-Iraq regarding WMDs. That he ultimately proved to be incorrect is besides the point.

It's vitally important that much of intel remain secret. We don't want the enemy knowing what we know about them, or how we obtain that info. To do so removes any possibility of maintaining initiative, which tactically is of paramount importance.