So John Lennons Imagine

[ddoubleez]

In respect to Juan Lennon, lets Imagine there is no Religion... Tell me what will improve and what will degrade... Defend your pov on religion....

I will start...

Theo van Gogh would still be alive, the relative of Vincent van Gogh, both true artists...

Theo, also, loved women... He was writing and producing a artistic short protesting the treatment of women in some countires, I feel a deep loss for such a creative human beening...

YouTube - Theo van Gogh/Ayaan Hirsi Ali: "Submission" pt 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGtQvGGY4S4)

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/nov2004/gogh-n10.shtml

[Juan.Camaney]

If there was no religion from the start? Or if all of sudden the government outlawed religion.

Do you mean no established religion, where you can still believe a superior being created everything? Or just no religion at all, where no one thought about how everything started?

I get that you are trying to prove once again that religion is evil and that because of religion, many people have died. But, people kill themselves for reasons other than religion. Like the internet for example. People kill themselves over internet arguments. Imagine no internet.

[BackdoorJesus]

yes I agree with juan inasmuch as in the absence of religion, mankind would find other ideology types upon which we would identify ourselves, love, hate, kill and die for.

Nationalism, racism, science, internet...you name it; human nature is what it is and we are social animals, therefore we group with one another in one way or another.

[joerockhead]

I believe that every human has a right to choice and freedom to choose. As long as it does not inflict on another's life or livelihood.

One does not have to use religion to make these choices of right and wrong. Guidance and general respect for others is all that is needed.

[Ezzy]

2 options spur into my mind

1. If there was no religion from the very beginning
It would be different, somewhat. May I say, less individuals beliefs and more common one centered worship-ism? The thing is, even if there was no 'religion', we'd still have something to hope, something to look up for, in times of desperation. Maybe we would've called it something else. But the matter is, if there was no 'religion' (as in modern day term) I would see more unity and more big bunch of category. Which is focused on one point.

2. If religion disappears or just goes fuck it
In this case, I can bare with it. I mean I'm religious, but not hardcore. But I doubt this will happen. Like Lennon said, imagine, this would be just imagining.

[BackdoorJesus]

2 options spur into my mind

1. If there was no religion from the very beginning
It would be different, somewhat. May I say, less individuals beliefs and more common one centered worship-ism? The thing is, even if there was no 'religion', we'd still have something to hope, something to look up for, in times of desperation. Maybe we would've called it something else. But the matter is, if there was no 'religion' (as in modern day term) I would see more unity and more big bunch of category. Which is focused on one point.

2. If religion disappears or just goes fuck it
In this case, I can bare with it. I mean I'm religious, but not hardcore. But I doubt this will happen. Like Lennon said, imagine, this would be just imagining.

...and thus Ezzy is introduced to the infamous Webrats number bug, where any time you start a post with a digit, the rest of the post disappears from display (but is still there when quoted).

live and learn man

o hai this is my post number 10,010 neat

[Ezzy]

Shit, wtf?! :queso:

Oh hell, you managed to get the post. Thanks!

Enter the WR forums, I guess.