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supersatch
10-09-2009, 07:22 PM
saw this on the news today, and realizing that none of the things that he has promised have made any progress, or even had the time to make any progress, I though it would be a good topic.

...and I got the article from MSNBC just for ddoubleez. :mstad:

WASHINGTON - Now that he's Nobel laureate Barack Obama, will he find smoother sailing for his plans to rid the world of nuclear weapons, to forge Mideast peace and stabilize Afghanistan, to halt climate change?

Not likely.

The Nobel committee members made no bones about it: Helping Obama achieve ambitious peacemaking goals was their goal in awarding the prize Friday to an as-yet mostly unaccomplished U.S. president.

But while the prestige could give Obama and his efforts a boost, nations steer their courses according to their own interests and little else. U.S. lawmakers, too, aren't going to be influenced in politically difficult votes on climate change legislation or nuclear-reduction treaties by the Nobel Peace Prize, no matter who wins it.

That's not to say it wasn't an impressive achievement.

At just 48 years old and not even nine months in office, Obama became only the third sitting U.S. president to win the prize.

The widespread reaction, however, when the stunning news hit the nation was: For what?

Obama said so himself. "To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative figures who have been honored by this prize," he said hours after being awakened — and surprised — by spokesman Robert Gibbs.

Comments from Nobel committee members revealed that they fully intended to encourage, not reward. Consider this: The nomination deadline was only 12 days after Obama first entered the Oval Office.

It's an enduring myth that the prize is only about accomplishment — it actually was created as much to supply momentum for peace as to celebrate it.

Indeed, with a leftist slant, the five-member committee was applauding Obama as much for what he's not — his predecessor.

Former President George W. Bush was much reviled overseas for "cowboy diplomacy," the Iraq war and his snubbing of European priorities such as global warming.

So some cheerleading probably can't hurt, as Obama presses forward on efforts to repair America's relations with Muslims, bring Israelis and Palestinians into fruitful negotiations and turn back climate change. The committee especially singled out Obama's aims to create a nuclear weapons-free world and to set out a new, more cooperative diplomatic doctrine.

"I hope it will help him," Nobel committee chairman Thorbjoern Jagland said of the award. "Obama is the right man at the right time, and that's why we want to enhance his efforts."

From former President Jimmy Carter to the Vatican, similar sentiments were expressed.

"I will accept this award as a call to action," Obama said. "This award must be shared with everyone who strives for justice and dignity."

Still, Obama's efforts are at far earlier stages than past winners'.

For instance:

-He and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev have set negotiators working toward an agreement to significantly reduce nuclear warheads and delivery vehicles. But getting to zero nuclear weapons across the globe — something Obama acknowledged "may not be completed in my lifetime" — means corralling both friend and foe abroad and lawmakers at home behind a mind-bendingly thorny web of treaties and agreements.

-Obama said he would end the Iraq war. But he launches deadly anti-terror strikes in Pakistan, Somalia and elsewhere and is running a second war, in Afghanistan, that he has already escalated once and is considering ramping up again while trying to persuade mostly reluctant NATO allies to contribute more.

-He has pushed for peace between the Israelis and Palestinians. But there's been little cooperation so far from them.

-His administration is talking to U.S. foes, like Iran, North Korea and Cuba. But there's not much to show from that, either.

-He pledged to take the lead against climate change. But the U.S. seems likely to head into December's crucial international negotiations in Copenhagen with legislation still stalled in Congress and nations crucial to global agreement, including China and India, showing reluctance to come on board.

With many seeing the award as premature, there's the chance it could provoke a small backlash that makes Obama's work harder.

So, no doubt the news of the prize brought trepidation along with joy. As Obama's former foe for the White House, Republican Sen. John McCain, said: "He now has even more to live up to."

Perhaps one reason there was no public celebrating at the White House on Friday.

Krasch
10-09-2009, 11:44 PM
The award is a toal farce, and an insult to those who have actually DONE things that deserved it, period.

fmb
10-11-2009, 07:06 PM
I think the article does a good job of pointing out this awarding is more for pushing Obama to attempt more arms reductions, more diplomacy with former foes, and to limit expanding the war in Afghanistan. As has been widely reported, the EU countries (excluding the UK) are extremely reluctant about expanding the Afghan war and supplying additional troops for any expansion.

Another slant I think the committee is taking is to pressure Obama about the Iranian nuclear program. No country in the EU supports an armed strike against Iranian nuclear facilities; the committee could be using this award as a method of having the US to not support, or prohibit, an Israeli strike on the Iranian facilities.

Personally, with this awarding, I believe the committee will see support for future awardees plummet.

joerockhead
10-13-2009, 07:58 PM
Here is another article - The Board supporting the President.....


OSLO – One judge noted with surprise that President Barack Obama "didn't look particularly happy" at being named the Nobel Peace Prize laureate. Another marveled at how critics could be so patronizing.

In a rare public defense of a process normally shrouded in secrecy, four of the Nobel jury's five judges spoke out Tuesday about a selection they said was both merited and unanimous.

To those who say a Nobel is too much too soon in Obama's young presidency, "We simply disagree ... He got the prize for what he has done," committee chairman Thorbjorn Jagland told The Associated Press by telephone from Strasbourg, France, where he was attending meetings of the Council of Europe.

Jagland singled out Obama's efforts to heal the divide between the West and the Muslim world and scale down a Bush-era proposal for an anti-missile shield in Europe.

"All these things have contributed to — I wouldn't say a safer world — but a world with less tension," he said.

For nine-year Nobel committee veteran Inger-Marie Ytterhorn, Obama's demeanor spoke volumes when he first acknowledged the award during a news conference Friday on the lawn of the White House Rose Garden.

"I looked at his face when he was on TV and confirmed that he would receive the prize and would come to Norway, and he didn't look particularly happy," she told the AP by telephone.

"Obama has a lot of problems internally in the United States and they seem to be increasing. Unemployment, health care reform: They are a problem for him," she said.

She acknowledged there was a risk the prize might backfire on Obama by raising expectations even higher and giving ammunition to his critics. "It might hamper him," Ytterhorn said, because it could distract from domestic issues.

Still, she added: "Whenever we award the peace prize, there is normally a big debate about it" so the Obama controversy was not unexpected.

It was unusual, however, for the Nobel jury to speak out so candidly about their selection.

Even the most seasoned Nobel watchers were surprised by Obama's Nobel — they hadn't expected the U.S. president, who took office barely two weeks before the Feb. 1 nomination deadline, to be seriously considered until at least next year.

Jagland said that was never an issue for the Nobel committee, which followed the guidelines set forth by Alfred Nobel, the Swedish industrialist and inventor of dynamite who established the prize in his 1895 will.

"Alfred Nobel wrote that the prize should go to the person who has contributed most to the development of peace in the previous year," Jagland said.

"Who has done more for that than Barack Obama?"

Aagot Valle, a left-wing Norwegian politician who joined the Nobel panel this year, also dismissed suggestions that Obama was undeserving of the honor.

"Don't you think that comments like that patronize Obama? Where do these people come from?" Valle said from the coastal city of Bergen. "Well, of course, all arguments have to be considered seriously. I'm not afraid of a debate on the Peace Prize decision. That's fine."

World leaders have reacted positively to Obama's Nobel in most cases, the committee said, with much of the criticism coming from the media and Obama's political rivals.

"I take note of it. My response is only the judgment of the committee, which was unanimous," Jagland said.

In announcing the award Friday, the committee, whose members are appointed by the Norwegian Parliament, applauded the change in global mood brought by Obama's calls for peace and cooperation. They also praised his pledges to reduce the world stock of nuclear arms, ease U.S. conflicts with Muslim nations and strengthen the U.S. role in combating climate change.

The White House declined comment on the Nobel judge's latest statements.

However, Obama expressed surprise and humility at Friday's news conference, saying the prize should be considered not a "recognition of my own accomplishments, but rather as an affirmation of American leadership on behalf of aspirations held by people in all nations."

Nobel Peace Prize selections have often been surrounded by fierce debate. Controversial awards include the 1994 prize shared by Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and Israeli leaders Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin for Mideast peace efforts, as well as the joint prize to Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and North Vietnamese negotiator Le Duc Tho for a 1973 cease-fire agreement. The Vietnam War continued for two more years.

So the Nobel jury "expected that there would be a discussion" about Obama's award, said Kaci Kullman Five, a former Conservative Party parliamentarian and longtime Nobel committee member.

Valle said the criticism shouldn't overshadow important issues raised by Obama's Nobel.

"Of course I expected disagreement and debate on ... giving him the prize," she said. "But what I want now is that we seriously raise a discussion regarding nuclear disarmament."

supersatch
10-13-2009, 08:27 PM
Of course the voting panel members are defending their decision. Do we really expect them to say, "You're right. We were wrong for giving him the Nobel Prize."

I find it hard to believe that Alfred Nobel would approve of the panel using the prize as a vessel for the achievement of their political aspirations.

Ryan
10-15-2009, 04:49 PM
I think it's fair to say that the nobel prize lost all credibility when they gave this award. But... why is everyone picking on Obama for it? It's not like it's his fault they gave him the award. Make sure your disgust is pointed at the right place- the nobel prize people.

fmb
10-15-2009, 05:45 PM
I think it's fair to say that the nobel prize lost all credibility when they gave this award. But... why is everyone picking on Obama for it? It's not like it's his fault they gave him the award. Make sure your disgust is pointed at the right place- the nobel prize people.

Good point, Ryan. Beyond the prize committee and Obama, I'd like to know who nominated Obama for the award.

Krasch
10-15-2009, 11:23 PM
I think it's fair to say that the nobel prize lost all credibility when they gave this award. But... why is everyone picking on Obama for it? It's not like it's his fault they gave him the award. Make sure your disgust is pointed at the right place- the nobel prize people.

For now anyway you are correct.

If he actually has the balls to accept the award on December 10, he will have earned that disgust for himself.

If he has a shred of integrity, he'll decline the award like Jean Paul Sartre.

Somehow I suspect he'll accept.

joerockhead
10-25-2009, 06:35 PM
I want to know what he does with the $1.4 Million!!!!

fmb
10-25-2009, 10:05 PM
I want to know what he does with the $1.4 Million!!!!

I believe he'll give the prize money to a charity. A charity with a political aim? Probably.

joerockhead
10-26-2009, 11:11 AM
Yeah, like Momma' new dress, or Lil Girls new shoes

supersatch
10-26-2009, 09:34 PM
I believe he'll give the prize money to a charity. A charity with a political aim? Probably.

Yeah, I see some prize money in ACORN's future.

Greven359
10-28-2009, 10:23 AM
Maybe he'll give the money to the city Detroit, they think he's got a stash of money.