Home Protection

[koЯnut]

Well, in the area koRnstar and I now live in there has been alot of break-ins. So we have been thinking about buying a gun. Just in case the Louisville next to my bed doesn't cut it.

What are some of your guys recomendations on what we should get??

I'm sure Schutz will hit this section soon.

[mstad]

Get a Glock .45
Great handgun for home protection and it's not going to break your bank to get one.

[Sagaris]

A Bloody Big Dog. Sorry not allowed hand guns over here

[koЯnut]

A Bloody Big Dog. Sorry not allowed hand guns over here


That doesn't really work at a apartment complex.:)

[b00mer]

Mossberg 500 with home defense shells. Shouldn't cost any more than $200.00 and the home defencse ammo is designed to NOT penetrate interior walls, so you won't kill your neighbors.

[drktitan56]

First of all what are you looking for? Hangun or shotgun? Handgun if you have never fired one then more than likely you wont be a good hitter no matter what type of handgun you get. Shotgun you can get a mossberg home defense 12ga. It has a 18inch barrel and holds 8 shots. If you have handled a handgun before than I recommend either glock or beretta. I personally use a glock 21 which is a 45 acp. The mag holds 13. My back up pistol is a beretta cougar 8000 which a 9mm. The mags I have hold 15 but civilian mags hold only 10 if they are true beretta mags.

[MrSpoon]

Taurus USA has some quality handguns, and they're rather easy to use. Check 'em out HERE (http://www.taurususa.com/main/index.cfm)

[JacksonAces]

If you have the cash, I'd go with a H&K USP .40 or .45

These handguns, while slightly more expensive than the above mentioned, are well worth the expediture. The active recoil reduction system means that they are easier to aim and fire after that first shot, they are light, powerful as all hell, and the mags hold..well, enough.

The .45 holds ten rounds, but in my opinion, anythign you can't do in 10 rounds, you shouldn't be doing in the first place. Trust me, an intruder will book it after the first one if he is still able.

and the most important thing is that you get to the range. I know alot of people that go out and buy a gun for self-defence and then sit on it, not actually learning how to use it. then when the time comes to use it, they might as well not have it. So get to the range, buy yourself some time and practice practice practice. I would say that you need to go through about 5,000 rounds before you should feel comfortable enought to rely on your gun to save your life. In these situations, your life depends on how well you can use this gun, not just what kind of gun you have.

That's why, given the choice, I'm opting for my double-barreled shotgun. I only get two shots, but you can be damn sure they are going in your ass.

~jack

[ej]

Identify what your primary (realistic) use of the gun will be.

If it is only for home defense I would recomend a shotgun like the above mentioned Mossberg or even a Remington 870. You can use different loads to suit your needs and even mix loads in the barrel. Like a couple of 00 followed by a slug. Also, the shotgun has the distinct advantage of being easy to aim and shoot. Third, there is a great pucker factor associated with the racking of a 12 guage shotgun whether you can see it or not. Everyone has heard the sound and knows what it means.

Now, if you want a gun to shoot and have some fun with and maybe on the off chance use it for self defense I would go with a 9mm in any of the excellent brands mentioned above. Find one that fits you and that is comfortable in your hand. The Glock can be nice becuase it is very simple to use but there are many really great guns out there. I recommend the 9mm because you will pay far less per box of practice ammo then you would with 40 or especially 45. Easily aroun $2.00 more per fifty rounds for each caliber you go up. The 9mm also has less recoil and temds to be easier to shoot(that may be appealing if your wife plans to shoot it). Also, with hi-capacity magazines you can find several 9mm's that carry 17+ rounds. Now some people here may say the 9 does not have enough stopping power. They are right in the fact that large calibres have more "stopping power" but the bottom line is that the military and several thousand police officers are still using the round with success. It will work for you and you will have more fun practicing with it.

Good luck. Remember to practice as it will make a world of difference if the chips are ever down.

[woodie85]

well im in law enforcement, and i have been trained to handle certian situations. ppl think shhoting some one is easy and once it happens it done, at least if they enter their house not true! second of all if u are looking for a home defense weapon get some thing with few safeties and other moving parts( slides on semi, pumps, bolts,safeties, action locks,ect) i would go with a double action revolver, unless ur good and skilled with something else be it a shot gun, or a semi auto hand gun. but if u have a women in the house with girl friend what ever, go revlover not alot to it point and shoot. no safeties. get a smaller caliber 38 is a good one 38 is and interchangeable caliber. from 38 or 357 as long as the barrel says 357 either one will work. 38 is a smaller caliber that wont break a womans wrist, heck cops use to use them. but ppl think its all easy and they will have time to get out a 64 " rifle shot gun what have you, but u wont. did u no that in 21 feet a person can get to u with out u having the ability to pull a gun and fire 2 shots some what accuratly. and thsi is for peace officers ppl that are trained to handle and deal with this kind stuff. go revolver, double action, smaller caliber. s&w and tuaras make some good models. that is what i have to say

and some will say that a 9mm dont have enough power well, i no it does. and people will argue it. well my fathers a cop and is alive today cause he had to use his 9mm in the line of duty and killed a man with a shot gun ( all the shotts were to center mass non to the head). so go ahead and say it dont have power, or that its all shot placement and u can kill a man with a 22 if u shot them right, have had this converstion with friends and there heard just about all the rebuttles there are. i say they do and it goes the opposite way. carolina trooper mark coates, was killed after geting in a shoot out with a suspect. after shooting the suspect 5/6 times with a 357 mag, the suspect was not dead and shot the trooper with a once 22 and killed trhe trooper. the suspect LIVED AFTER BEING SHOT 5 TIMES WITH A 357. so its not all about stopping power.

what ever u go with ger franmenting shells (home defense shells) they will not go through the walls and in to the nieghbors or a person outside or in the next room

[tomfrey]

If you are not familar with guns do not buy a Glock as your first handgun. I have owned many of them but they are not for beginners. For home defense get a shotgun- other posts mention the Mossburg and the Remington 870- both are great and in-expensive. Just the sound of you cocking the thing will send an intruder away.

[twobd2pmp]

Well, in the area koRnstar and I now live in there has been alot of break-ins. So we have been thinking about buying a gun. Just in case the Louisville next to my bed doesn't cut it.

What are some of your guys recomendations on what we should get??

I'm sure Schutz will hit this section soon.
Kornut.... I'd go with the golck .45. I have a glock 23 , whisch is the compact .45. I spend about 6 hundred, but thats because of all the gay california laws and shit.

The mossberg home defense shotgun is pimp too. like some one else say they aren't expensive at all.

[ChuckinCHI]

Kornut.... I'd go with the golck .45. I have a glock 23 , whisch is the compact .45. I spend about 6 hundred, but thats because of all the gay california laws and shit.

The mossberg home defense shotgun is pimp too. like some one else say they aren't expensive at all.

The Glock 23 is not a .45 its a .40 I own the model 23. And 600 bucks is very steep even w/ cali laws. You can get a used one in good condition for around 300. But its all depending on what you want to get. I work in law enforcement as well and the Glock 23 is what we carry and is very nice.

[funtonof]

Mossberg 500, I have a keep a 12 ga in my room and dad keeps a 20 ga in his room. we paid $250 each. easy to use and a good quality brand. good for home defense and hunting. good all purpose gun!

[warghost]

you can't sneak around a corner with a shotgun, and auto's can jam. Double action revolver is the only way to go for home defense. caliber is up to you, but go no smaller than a 38. If you can afford both, a shotgun can be good for "at the door" situations, but the racking theory is a myth unless you want to expell a perfectly good unspent shell. The crook will know this. whatever you do, go to a range and get used to it. With a pistol hold with two hands pulled into your chest so it won't be easy to knock away or grab.Thank god for the second amendment, and thank the NRA for protecting it.

[darkfire07]

Hmmm..for average home protection, I recommend a shotgun, of the 12 ga variety mentioned above. Both the Mossberg 500 series and the Remington 870 have been around forever, and are available fairly cheaply in a variety of finishes and configurations.
Warghost, I have to question why you would need to sneak around *anything* in a home defense situation...??? If you want a handgun, perhaps for its compact size and ease of carry, I first recommend getting a concealed carry license. Talk to your significant other, see what they are comfortable learning to shoot. I DON'T recommend a .45 for a gun beginner...big round, big gun, big recoil, and expensive to shoot, especially as you'll want some practice time. I personally prefer the H&K USP Compact series, as it fits in the hand well and is easily concealed, and has the advantage of an active recoil reduction system as was mentioned above; it's available in 9mm, .40, and .45. However, much as I like it, I wouldn't recommend it as your first handgun. I would stick with a Glock or Baretta 9mm or a Browning High-Power, also in 9mm. All are easy to find and fairly cheap to purchase, and are quality handguns. The Browning, while not as popular any more, is an excellent purchase, and as for reputation, it was the handgun of choice for the British SAS, long one of the top anti-terrorism units in the world. The US military issues the Baretta 9mm to our troops. And the Secret Service and FBI, as well as many police departments, have huge contracts with Glock for their service pistols. Once again, I have to disagree on with warghost (no offence man) as I would prefer a quality semiautomatic pistol over a revolver any day....however, if there is a decent gun range in your area, you can go and shoot many types of pistol, and see what you prefer.
DF7

[warghost]

No offense taken darkfire. To answer your question though, unless you live in a round house, you will most likely encounter a corner or two. Especially if, as in my case, your kids are on the opposite end of the house. And their safety is my first priority. I also don't think a 9mm has enough power for self defense. As for semi auto's, I love them. But for an inexperienced person a da revolver is best. As a hunter and enthusiast I can choose a weapon for my mood or the situation. But if you only have one it better be reliable and powerful. Btw, last I knew most police were swithching to .40 s&w and 10mm. Not sure about the military. But 9mm falls way short in every ballistic test I've seen. Although it is a good target load for practice and the ammo is very cheap.

[dissolution]

hhhmm how about a good old move to some other neighbor hood? heheh j/k

[MrMex]

nothing beats a shotgun for home protection. Point and click, close as you can get to a grenades effective area.

[Waldo]

werd keep it under your bed roll and shoot

[Flapdoodle]

:whore: I agree with BOOMER, you don't even have to aim, AND even if you don't hit him, the dirty rotten scum will piss his pants,scream like your little sister and make a brand new door on the way out.

[Flapdoodle]

ughword WELLLL I got Ruger 357 Mag loaded with 125 gr. hollow pnts. by the bed and a Springfield 1911 .45 under it. The Ruger is a large wepon and can be a handfull if you have smallish hands. .38 Special loads have less recoil and you tend to flinch less if you are new to shooting. For a good home defense load I would go with a Glasser in .357 Mag. there is absolutely no danger of over penetration there. Makes a hole the size of a dinner plate, no survivors.

[freakshow]

I have many friends in law enforcement (beat cops, state troopers, one swat member) all recommend either a double action revolver or a shotgun. I have a ruger 9mm with 3 mags total of 45 rounds of hollow points, and a mossberg 500 alternating 00 buck and slugs (00 first). The next upgrade for the shotgun... http://www.knoxx.com/NewStyleKnoxx/Products/SideWinder.htm Best thing to do is go to a gun range, find something that is comfortable in both your hands, and is tame enough that either of you can control the recoil.

[Justin]

A first gun for home defense of course it should be a double action revolver. You dont put a semi in someones hands and expect them to stay 100% safe while trying to get it ready to shoot. And most women wouldnt even know how to load a shotgun.

S&W .357 with around a 2" - 2.5" inch barrel would be optimal. If a lady might have to use it put some .38 JHP rounds in it.

It will always work. If you get a missfire you just pull the trigger again and it will shoot.

With a semi you have to engage it again to bring a fresh round up.

[tazwolfe]

:shoot: I think it is always personal preference, if you dont want to buy right away check with friends see if you can "try" their weapons of choice before you make a decision. There are arguments made for all views and the onlyone that matters is what feels right for you. 9's are great for shooting and can be very accurate I love my DE Baby 9 but I use my XD-40 for home defense with hydra shocks cuz I dont want the ammo takin out the neighborhood. SO take it all in listen to what each person has to say and then try out anything you can before you look to buy and as has been said b4 go to the range and get to know your gun. I tfeels good when you buy it and you think you might be a bad ass, but until its tried and true (accurate) it dont mean shit. You can have a big bore and still miss if you dont know how to shoot, a tac rail would be good and get a light like surefire to go on it, that way you can see who your blowin away and if the light is on them you will probably hit them. :rl:

[rjsincs]

ok maybe im just an idiot. [insert your an idiot joke here] but personally i have my shotgun sitting down stairs unloaded but its mearly more for intimidation. in my bedroom i have the co2 powered semi auto bb gun. i know most people are going to say what are you going to do with that? my logic is that first in the unlikely event that someone does enter my home and come into my bedroom and im alseep i probably wont hear them till im dead. i think a bb gun that looks like a real gun is a good bet because if i ever fired it on anyone accidentally or it was fired on me it would more than likely hurt me but not kill me. with even a .22 you risk the gun being turned on you and getting killed before you get the bad guy. plus im sure if you hit somone with a bb gun they are going to be deturred but you wont have the "oh my god i just killed someone in my house" or the cleanup or the legal worries. you can keep a bb gun loaded next to your bed without worrying about it going off unexpectedly and killing someone. with a "real gun" the second that goes off your taking a big risk. what if you missed and hit kornstar or when you have kids they get to the gun? what are the odds that you will have enough time to unlock, load, and fire accuratly at someone when they burst open your door? i live by myself and i have several rifles and shotguns but i would only think of ever using them indoors in the rarest of situations. i keep my rifles with full magazines out of the gun and the bolt open. if worse case happened i can open the case, load the magazine, and fire a shot maybe within 20 or 30 seconds if im near it. but wouldnt it be better just to comply. i think most home invaders would rather just get some shit and go than to deal with anyone nevertheless trade bullets with them. but maybe im just and idiot

[linthat22]

I bought a pack of Black Tallon bullets from a local dealer here for home protection (9mm). Paid a pretty penny for them, but hey, they don't make them anymore.

I'm surprised no one mentioned them yet.

[skyNet]

:whore: I agree with BOOMER, you don't even have to aim, AND even if you don't hit him, the dirty rotten scum will piss his pants,scream like your little sister and make a brand new door on the way out.


Don't have to aim with a shotgun?

Think typical house.

What's the furthest distance you have to shoot? I have about 30 feet from corner to corner in my basement. Even with a short barrel your spread with a 12 gauge shotgun shooting 9 ball 00 buckshot is going to be no more than a foot. The average human chest spans 20 inches or so.

The target on the left is 7 and 10 yards. Average distance for a home intrusion scenario.

http://www.wadwizard.com/images/7&10Comparison.jpg

No matter what weapon you decide upon, you need to practice so if you do have to use it, you can accurately. Missing quickly still is a miss, and it's easier to deal with a dead home intruder than a wounded or live one.

Remember this statement "I was in fear of my life"...

I personally carry a H&K USP .45 Expert, my wife carries a H&K USP .45 Compact. I've got an AR-15 downstairs in the closet with a M1 garand, I have a Remington 870 shotgun upstairs with 3" magnum buckshot loaded in it. Plus my German Shepherd. The house is safe.

[Lucky Bob]

I bought a pack of Black Tallon bullets from a local dealer here for home protection (9mm). Paid a pretty penny for them, but hey, they don't make them anymore.

I'm surprised no one mentioned them yet.
Probably because, if I remember correctly, they're ILLEGAL in all 50 states.

Pre-emptive edit: I am incorrect.

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_talon , they were voluntarily pulled. None the less, I'm surprised you could get your hands on them at all.

[rjsincs]

i would still honestly rather go with a nonleathal weapon because of bystanders and damage. what if the your wife is sitting on the couch and your in the other room and you see him sitting next to her would you blow him away right there and chance hitting your wife?

[MrMex]

THe Black Talons were never illegal. They were one of the first fully expanding JHP (jacketed hallow point) bullets on the market that performed exceptionally well, for the time. Now they are better as a shelf piece than an actual duty ammo.

Since they're removal they have become harder and harder to find thus driving the price up. If you have some, save them, dont shoot them. Buy you some current market ammo ie. Speer, Ranger's and Double tapp are great performers. They expand every time are some are bonded, Talon's are not. Black Talons were great at their time but are outdated.

[skyNet]

i would still honestly rather go with a nonleathal weapon because of bystanders and damage. what if the your wife is sitting on the couch and your in the other room and you see him sitting next to her would you blow him away right there and chance hitting your wife?


Non lethal weapons other than a true Air Taser, don't work. Cops routinely train with pepper spray and are sprayed in the face and have to fight off an attacker plus retain their weapon. Pepper spray doesn't work if you spray upwind as well, and spraying in a confined space asks for getting hit as well.

Stun guns require physical contact therefore removing any safe distance from the equation.

Air tasers work well, however they are as expensive, if not more expensive, than most firearms.

Buying a firearm and actually training to some extent with it will give you one of many tools that you can bring to bear in a home invasion scenario.

I keep my shotgun loaded but without a round in the chamber. If I hear someone in the house and I know it's not friendly, they will hear the sound of a shotgun's slide racking, followed by me announcing my presence. Not many people don't know what the sound of a shotgun loading is.

depending on the local legislation as well, will dictate what your legal recourses are as well. Some states say that you have the duty to RETREAT. That combined with the situation need to dictate exactly what you do. If you're in your bedroom, no exit, then you're cornered and can defend yourself.

I personally know what my reaction will be in a situation, since I have been in many threatening situations (2 combat deployments to Afghanistan, 1 to Iraq) and have significant tactical training (8 years in the army, 6 years as an Airborne Ranger).... the same can't be said for an untrained citizen who thinks that buying a gun is the cure-all for personal defense. I highly suggest going to a range and shooting a bunch of firearms for experience. I highly suggest actually training with that firearm. Ask someone who knows what they are doing ie a policeman friend on how you can best defend your house in case of home intrusion.

Just buying a gun isn't going to solve any situation. The training and mindset that employ the tool are more important than the tool itself.

[badburns]

I read a book that convicted felons wrote years ago and this line will always stick with me,"The sound you don't want to hear after entering a home is that of a 12 gauge being cycled. They have a sound all of their own."

I myself keep a short, and I mean short 1300 Winchester 12 ga. real close to my bed. Like the old saying goes,"I rather be judged be 12 than carried by 6."

[badburns]

That is a very good point you made! But in a situation, God forbid, one such should occur mine knows to get down and stay down.

[GP]

1. Join the NRA, it is only $30. I got in for $25.
2. Buy a double action revolver (The higher the caliber, the more expensive the practice)
3. Buy a short barrel shotgun
4. Install an alarm system
5. Memorize your way the apartment in the dark, and know where you can get the best cover, etc.

That should be good to start, the rest will come to you.

[Sekhmet]

i would still honestly rather go with a nonleathal weapon because of bystanders and damage. what if the your wife is sitting on the couch and your in the other room and you see him sitting next to her would you blow him away right there and chance hitting your wife?


I always have various weapons on by person. We are both trained medics, and if it came down to, I would take my chances of being hit with some buckshot vs being raped or worse. The only way that will happen is if a gun is held to my head or I am unconscious. I don't fight nice.

[skyNet]

Not to mention that if you train with a shotgun you can effectively engage targets at 10 yards or more sitting next to one another. It's called using hold-off. If you are 10m from a target aim about a foot above and out from the shoulder oppisite the friendly.

At least that's what I did on the range the last time I was out shooting with my SWAT buddies... but what do they know about tactical shotgun? :)

I just know how to open doors with it and shoot people center mass.

Not to mention the fact that my wife would hands down want me to take the shot, like she said. She's already said that she'd be up for a william tell display given enough cash bets placed. Of course it'd be with my AR-15 or HK USP .45 Expert, not the shotgun.

[Lazer]

Pistol grip shootgun would be the best.
The noise of just cycleing the chamber is a good deterant. A pistol or rifle round is just bad cause it would go right through drywall wood. At least shotgun ammo is good for short range situations.

[Lazer]

I read a book that convicted felons wrote years ago and this line will always stick with me,"The sound you don't want to hear after entering a home is that of a 12 gauge being cycled. They have a sound all of their own."

I myself keep a short, and I mean short 1300 Winchester 12 ga. real close to my bed. Like the old saying goes,"I rather be judged be 12 than carried by 6."

Very good reply!

[Josh885]

1. You do have to aim a shotgun. If the spread is so big youd dont have to aim you lose all of the advantages a shotgun has over a pistol or rifle. (I.E. hitting the target with 9 30 caliber projectiles at once.

2. Any round which can not even penitrate dry wall will be completly ineffective at stoping a threat. Even a .22lr will zip through interior walls like butter. Any round that is effective at protecting you will penitrate an interior wall. That is just a fact of life.

3. If you are new to guns the most important thing for you to get is training. Using a gun as a wepaon is completly different than using it as a hunting tool or as a toy to play silly games with. After you get training you need to practice practice practice then practice some more or you wont hit anything in a stressfull situation.

[carlojohn90]

www.stoppingpower.net

[wizo]

I just purchased this HK USP .40 for $425 and am very happy with it so far. I would recommend it to anyone for personal defense.

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[Car Enthusiast]

good looking gun wizo

negative points for holding it birdman style

[Lucky Bob]

Birdman?

Oh, and if you actually shoot it like that... there's a good chance that you'll get a burning-hot casing in the face/neck/arm. Have fun! :tongue:

[wizo]

me shoot like that hahahahaha you fuks cant you tell that for a pic?

[Car Enthusiast]

http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/images/nyte-sytes.jpg

[Lucky Bob]

http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/images/nyte-sytes.jpg
Ah, that explains it.

Actually fairly amusing pic.

[jackdaripper]

What i have...

Home.. 9mm bereta... .357 Smith and Wesson... 2 .22 cal pistols 1 is a Simi the other is a revolver.. .38 cal Target revolver.. Dbl Barreld 12gauge shotgun cutdown to just over leagal size. 12 gauge Mossburg Pump..

For a SHTF << S$$T hit the fan cenario..

I have the above pluss A M14 With a 12X Detachable scope... And a AR15 With High Cap mags.

Not to mention My SHTF Pack.. Wich holds enough emergancy food and supplies for 2-3 weeks. Water ..Water purifyer ..etc..

[southern_comfor]

i agree with boomer shotguns are best for home protection the rounds will usally stay contained in the room they are fired in with the home defense shells and if for some reason you dont want to kill the guy that was wanting to kill you you can use rubber buckshot