NBA Smack Talk thread

[michaeljohn]

Edit May 27. Seems the smack is back, so the NBA threads were split. One serious, one anything goes. this one is anything goes.

My first post predicts 64-18 would be best record.

Cleveland is 63-15
Los Angeles is 63-16
Boston is 59-19.

I made this call a long time ago, figuring 64-18 would be good enough for the Lakers to finish ahead of the Celtics. That's now clinched for LA, we have the tiebreakers since we beat them twice. I never really factored Cleveland into the equation, now we are chasing them.

No worries, we can beat either the Cavs or Celtics on their court. We want Boston, we owe them a spanking. I hope they make it, but I wonder once again if they will duck us as they did so many times in the past by losing in the ECF in seasons the Lakers won it all:

1972
1980
1982
1988
2002
2009?

In the first 4 seasons listed above, Boston had HCA in each conference final, and best record in the NBA. Their 9-2 edge over us in finals is very misleading, we should have beaten them 5 more times since Russell retired. They only play us when they are better, the chicken shits.

However, 9-2 is a garbage statistic and "Cherry picked" by Boston fans and misleading as to who the better franchise is. I checked out the history over 60 years, who came out ahead based on how far they went each season. (furthest into the playoffs determines). Result?

Lakers 33, Celtics 22, "even" 5.

Tiebreak the 5 "even" years by regular season record and it's Lakers 36, Celtics 24. Buck Foston.

Oh, MrEfrisk, Denver beat the Lakers in February. We won season series 3-1.

[MrEfrisk]

My first post predicts 64-18 would be best record.

Cleveland is 63-15
Los Angeles is 63-16
Boston is 59-19.

I made this call a long time ago, figuring 64-18 would be good enough for the Lakers to finish ahead of the Celtics. That's now clinched for LA, we have the tiebreakers since we beat them twice. I never really factored Cleveland into the equation, now we are chasing them.

No worries, we can beat either the Cavs or Celtics on their court. We want Boston, we owe them a spanking. I hope they make it, but I wonder once again if they will duck us as they did so many times in the past by losing in the ECF in seasons the Lakers won it all:

1972
1980
1982
1988
2002
2009?

In the first 4 seasons listed above, Boston had HCA in each conference final, and best record in the NBA. Their 9-2 edge over us in finals is very misleading, we should have beaten them 5 more times since Russell retired. They only play us when they are better, the chicken shits.

However, 9-2 is a garbage statistic and "Cherry picked" by Boston fans and misleading as to who the better franchise is. I checked out the history over 60 years, who came out ahead based on how far they went each season. (furthest into the playoffs determines). Result?

Lakers 33, Celtics 22, "even" 5.

Tiebreak the 5 "even" years by regular season record and it's Lakers 36, Celtics 24. Buck Foston.

Oh, MrEfrisk, Denver beat the Lakers in February. We won season series 3-1.

Oh yeah thats right forgot about that last game in Denver. Thanks for clearing that up

[michaeljohn]

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[michaeljohn]

Kobe's last shot?? Are you high on Harley fumes?

The Lakers are still very young, deep and hungry. They will be there for the next few years bro.

I have to agree. I have said it before, as long as Kobe plays like Kobe, the Lakers will be a threat. The core of Kobe, Gasol, and Bynum will remain, the rest of the guys will come and go. Replacements will be found when the league adjusts to us.

By the way, it's interesting reading the internet banter on what's going to happen. Everyone is being crowned, everyone is being written off. Examples:

Cavs will win because Stern is now going to promote the new MVP LeBron.
Lakers will win because Stern is afraid Kobe will opt out and bail for Europe.
Celtics will win because they are are better than last year. The new players have adjusted.
Cavs will win because they have HCA
Lakers will win because they are the deepest team in the league.
Cavs will win because they are the deepest team in the league.
Celtics will win because they are the deepest team in the league.
Cavs won't win because Stern wants LeBron to head for the Knicks in 2010.
Lakers won't win because they are soft and can't play defense.
The Celtics won''t win because they are worse than last year, their bench sucks.
Cavs won't win because they only have one legitimate superstar.
Lakers won't win because their bench sucks
Celtics won't win because they haven't repeated as champs in 40 years.

More:

Lakers won't make finals, they will be upset just as the Mavs were in 2007.
San Antonio won't win because they are injured and don't play defense.
San Antonio will win because it's an odd year (1999, 2003, 2005, 2007, of course 2001 blows this theory out of the water).
Utah will beat up the Lakers physically, steal one in LA, and defend Home court.
Portland will beat the Lakers just as Utah should have.
Detroit will upset Cleveland. Bad blood between these two teams.
Boston won't even get to the conference finals.

I could go on and on....someone else offer up something before the issues are settled on the court.

[joerockhead]

Nuggets will win, because the Lakers got upset, and we had an easier road to the championship, and Lebron got hurt in Game 7 of the ECF.

I win Powerball and don't care

(hey, If I am dreamin, I gotta dream big!)


Lakers will win, because of Kobe

[michaeljohn]

I think my S.A.Spurs are history for this year,doubt they make it to second round

You are a realist. I thnk the Duncan era with the Spurs as elite is over. Ginobili will never again be what he was. Spurs missed a chance to trade him in 2007 when he still had worth. Lakers of the 80's shed players like Nixon and Wilkes when they were headed down. Unpopular, yes, but necessary to stay on top. As I said before the league had adjusted to the big 3, just as they had to Shaq and Kobe. Look how fast the league adjusted to the soon to be one-and-done Celtics!

http://uploader.ws/upload/200904/spurfishin9MPg.jpg

[michaeljohn]

It's getting chippy out there!

Let's see, a few days ago Celtics' Rajon Rondo throws the Bulls player Hinrich to the scorer's table, no suspension. So this is ok to do by anyone, right? Some say it's because he plays for Boston, thus no suspension.

So what's going to happen here from these games?:

Tonight, Orlando's Rafer Alston bitch slaps Boston's Eddie House on the back of the head after getting an elbow from him. (Also getting torched, lol).

Lakers' Derek Fisher throws an elbow into Luis Scola's pick, looking first and knowing he is there. (flagrant 2 foul, and ejection). TNT said it may have been retaliation for Scola elbowing Odom the play before. They fueled the fire.

No matter whether they suspend these guys or not, people won't be happy. I suppose if Alston is booted, and Fisher isn't, the conspiracy theorists will have a field day....You know, Lakers and Celtics get all the breaks...

:duh:

Oh well, it's the playoffs!

[michaeljohn]

So Rondo can throw a guy to the scorer's table, grab a guy at the mouth when he's trying to score, and not be suspended. These were early infractions, and it helps he plays in Boston.

However, Fisher, and Alston get it for their antics listed above. If they spared Fisher, people wolud be saying favoritism to the Lakers.

Now, Kendrick Perkins, the Celtics' center throws an elbow intentionally into a guy's throat on Friday. Will he get suspended? Probably not. He's a Celtic. Let's see what heppens next....


Anyway, enjoy this little video, the graphics are great:

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[michaeljohn]

Enver Nuggets vs. Allas Mavericks. There ain't no "D" in Denver or Dallas!

[michaeljohn]

thanks for the pictures jrh!

A lot of Lakers hate is all over the net. Tells me we are back at the top again. Really, the Houston series wasn't all that bad a deal for us. So, bring on the Nuggets!

Meanwhile, remember this guy? Wonder if he will be back now that the Celtics are headed for oblivion again?

rexhamer
whore
Last Activity: 03-02-2009 02:43 PM

We were dueling in the last NBA thread and took our argument elsewhere, and to a larger stage. I kicked his butt pretty hard and pretty much proved the Lakers are a more successful franchise than Boston. Over the entire history of the NBA, the Lakers have finished better than the Celtics by a huge margin, 37-24. That's domination. rexhamer was touting Celtics final edge of 9-2 over LA, but I proved that means nothing in the big picture, and that his argument was flawed everywhere. Yep, I never lose an internet argument. He tried and met the expected fate.

[rexhamer]

You just couldn't leave it alone, could you? Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. After having your hat handed to you with a number of replies from me, you sheepishly offered to close the old thread as things "were getting out of hand". I agreed. Then on 3/2 you start this new thread with:


New thread. The old one is closed and archived. This one will have a fresh start, let's make the most of it. Talk about teams, players, coaches, etc, just not who's best.

A fresh start, huh? And then on 4/10, completely unsolicited, we get:



No worries, we can beat either the Cavs or Celtics on their court. We want Boston, we owe them a spanking. I hope they make it, but I wonder once again if they will duck us as they did so many times in the past by losing in the ECF in seasons the Lakers won it all:

1972
1980
1982
1988
2002
2009?

In the first 4 seasons listed above, Boston had HCA in each conference final, and best record in the NBA. Their 9-2 edge over us in finals is very misleading, we should have beaten them 5 more times since Russell retired. They only play us when they are better, the chicken shits.

However, 9-2 is a garbage statistic and "Cherry picked" by Boston fans and misleading as to who the better franchise is. I checked out the history over 60 years, who came out ahead based on how far they went each season. (furthest into the playoffs determines). Result?

Lakers 33, Celtics 22, "even" 5.

Tiebreak the 5 "even" years by regular season record and it's Lakers 36, Celtics 24. Buck Foston.



Didn't think I would be paying attention? You're like a little kid who tries to sneak something past his parents when they aren't looking?

[rexhamer]

Here's another beauty:


Meanwhile, remember this guy? Wonder if he will be back now that the Celtics are headed for oblivion again?

rexhamer
whore
Last Activity: 03-02-2009 02:43 PM

We were dueling in the last NBA thread and took our argument elsewhere, and to a larger stage. I kicked his butt pretty hard and pretty much proved the Lakers are a more successful franchise than Boston. Over the entire history of the NBA, the Lakers have finished better than the Celtics by a huge margin, 37-24. That's domination. rexhamer was touting Celtics final edge of 9-2 over LA, but I proved that means nothing in the big picture, and that his argument was flawed everywhere. Yep, I never lose an internet argument. He tried and met the expected fate.

The harsh reality is that is has been YOUR argument that has been completely refuted. Logic and facts will do that to a spurious argument all the time. Since my original blog took apart your original argument, is clear from the overwhelming no. of replies in support of the Celtics who has made the better case. And these would not be "misleading stats", they are facts.

Even your fellow Lakers fans have abandoned you. Despite two separate and desperate pleas on the Lakers fans pages for them to show support for your argument, the responded with ZERO replies!

The only way to resolve this here is for you to provide the Webrats community with a link so they can judge for themselves. Fine with me.

Besides - nobody else cares anyways. You just cannot stomach the thought that you were bested in an Internet argument, so you keep trying to find an audience that might be taken in by speculation, misinformation and faulty logic.

[rexhamer]

By the way - it's been over three months now and we never heard anything more from 300zx guy. I guess that shows he really was a phony plant on your part.

[michaeljohn]

By the way - it's been over three months now and we never heard anything more from 300zx guy. I guess that shows he really was a phony plant on your part.
First off, we didn't even hear from you for over 2 months. Here's this guy's last log on info:

View Profile: 300zx guy
300zx guy
whore
Last Activity: 02-06-2009 03:11 PM

Second, most people you request a read receipt for don't even open the message you sent, here's from my PM list:

You have 29 confirmed and 275 unconfirmed private message receipts.

Requesting a read receipt is no longer an option since the vBulletin upgrade. Repeating what I said earlier, multiple accounts from the same computer or IP address are detected automatically. We know who ever has more than one account. Again, it would make no sense for me to do it here where no one cares, but at the other site where there are actually Celtics fans.

Also, you had been warned about harrassing the mods already, so I am giving you an official warning.

[michaeljohn]

You just couldn't leave it alone, could you? Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. After having your hat handed to you with a number of replies from me, you sheepishly offered to close the old thread as things "were getting out of hand". I agreed. Then on 3/2 you start this new thread with:



A fresh start, huh? And then on 4/10, completely unsolicited, we get:



Didn't think I would be paying attention? You're like a little kid who tries to sneak something past his parents when they aren't looking?


aww, did my little smack hurt you and your one-and-done Celtics? This is Webrats, grow some balls. besides as noted above, looked like you quit this place.

[michaeljohn]

Here's another beauty:


The harsh reality is that is has been YOUR argument that has been completely refuted. Logic and facts will do that to a spurious argument all the time. Since my original blog took apart your original argument, is clear from the overwhelming no. of replies in support of the Celtics who has made the better case. And these would not be "misleading stats", they are facts.

Even your fellow Lakers fans have abandoned you. Despite two separate and desperate pleas on the Lakers fans pages for them to show support for your argument, the responded with ZERO replies!

The only way to resolve this here is for you to provide the Webrats community with a link so they can judge for themselves. Fine with me.

Besides - nobody else cares anyways. You just cannot stomach the thought that you were bested in an Internet argument, so you keep trying to find an audience that might be taken in by speculation, misinformation and faulty logic.

Hahahha, now you are showing what a tool you are and how you can't read.

Dude, your prime arguments, as stated here before, were the Celtics edges of 17-3, 9-2, and Lakers 14-15 finals record. I destroyed and annihilated those. Oh, wait you don't like it when I say I did that. Tough shit. That's what I did.

Your big gripe against my argument was use of what-ifs. I took those out and proved you were basing your main arguments on what ifs. You had your ass handed to you royally and the irony was classic. You got bit by your own complaints against my arguments. What a fucking hypocrite you are.

Let me repeat how I destroyed your logic at the other site. Note IEttR stands for Inevitable Exception to the Rule. rexhamer bases a lot of his arguments on "there can be no exceptions". that was easy to deal with:

rexhamer has classified the following three categories as relevant since the Celtics have edges in them all: 17-3, 9-2, and 14-15. Let’s see what he had to say for justify classifying these as relevant, from his latest blog, and repeated above referring to 9-2 and 17-3:


It is insulting to sports fans in general, and NBA fans in particular, to dismiss two categories that are so prominent in any fan’s discussion.


I stated that it is not “cherry picking” to examine categories in order of relevance to fans

First, I would like to say that these categories are placed as relevant and important by rexhamer's opinion. They are backed up by facts which I maintain are “Cherry Picked”. Does everyone else think they are as important? Well, rexhamer has just told you they do! Let’s expose the flawed logic with this. First and foremost, we have the IEttR come into play. The words “any fan” presumes “every fan”. The words “so prominent in any fan’s discussion”, means I can pick “any fans” or you can pick “any fans” and interview them to see what they talk about! If they aren’t Celtics fans, I doubt seriously many of the fans will bring these categories up at all, let alone prominently! Check any basketball forum. They talk about every basketball notion you can imagine, except this! Furthermore, since he claims it will happen and be “prominent in any fan’s discussion”, he is determining their relevance by…drum roll please…..SPECULATION!



That in itself immediately and officially eliminates 9-2 and 17-3 from this debate. Also it is his opinion. I don’t think we should allow opinions to determine relevant categories. I could play that game too. I think the Lakers’ team colors are better. They represent royalty, advantage Lakers! Of course I won’t, my example is as ridiculous as his justification for including his “Cherry Picked” statistics. I also wish to point out that not only have I already logically refuted them, (Two seperate refutations is more than enough) I have correctly identified them as “Cherry Picking”. Since 14-15 is his opinion as well, that should also be dropped from the discussion as relevant. This is a huge advantage to rexhamer. He doesn’t have to search every sport worldwide to prove there is no best franchise with a losing finals record. He will just have to live with the ludicrous facts! Also, opinion is best left for the reader’s evaluation of historical data. When a final scorecard is listed below, they will be free to make a choice. I will construct a scorecard based upon truly relevant historical fact alone.



What have I been saying all along? The old arguments for Celtics supremacy don’t hold up anymore!

So, your main arguments got beaten twice. first, I logically reguted them and exposed your flawed logic, I also proved they didn't belong in the discussion to begin with!

Lakers 37 Celtic 24. That's domination, live with it.

as to far as Lakers fans support, did you see all the kudos I got on the main Lakers page over the months? No, I'll bet you didn't. Go scroll through a few hundred pages, you will see plenty. I stopped asking for replies ages ago. The fans didn't desert me.

Now, you just got :owned: here, just like you did there. I didn't even post all your other uses of flawed logic to make your points. This thread isn't supposed to be a fight between us. I invited you to reply to me at the other site. Do it there, not here. So far, you haven't refuted anything of mine. The specualtion part is gone, and the facts kick your ass. So whatever you do here next do it very carefully.

[michaeljohn]

Besides - nobody else cares anyways. You just cannot stomach the thought that you were bested in an Internet argument, so you keep trying to find an audience that might be taken in by speculation, misinformation and faulty logic.

This part really made me laugh.

Dude, you had your ass handed to you on a platter, and you lie through your teeth. I took all speculation out, and proved how all of your logic was flawed many times over! These are things I can prove. You cannot prove what I quoted of you. It's impossible and you know it.

Examples: I make a formula out of criterea for NBA awards and apply them to NBA teams. I specifically kept other sports award systems out of the argument to keep the objections out that would certainly arise. rexhamer tests them on other sports and claims my formula doesn't work! He tries it on two other NBA teams and claims it fails again! Facts are, he didn't read my post, I point out that there are other unmeasured success assets that need to be factored in. Those extra edges make it work!

Lord, I hope you take this argument to the other site. You embarrassed the Celtics and their fans with your weak blog. I will be using your failures here against you, just as I have every time before.

Dude, you lost the argument. Get over it. Last year, your team won. I had to eat shit. Now it's your turn. Go read my blog!

[BackdoorJesus]

Do I have to put you two in separate corners?

Come on guys, take a step back, count to ten, relax...it is just professional sports.

now I'm going to go watch the Lakers/Nuggets game and suggest you do the same.

[rexhamer]

Do I have to put you two in separate corners?

Come on guys, take a step back, count to ten, relax...it is just professional sports.

now I'm going to go watch the Lakers/Nuggets game and suggest you do the same.

To all:

I have absolutely no interest in reprising this debate here, so I will only make a few points.

1) Regardless of what MJ says regarding 300zx guy and the inability to have duplicate accounts, be reminded that he claims the mechanism to prevent this is maintained by moderators ....... like him! I don't care about his warning not to question moderators authority - the facts remain that this alleged member's existence is highly suspicious. If MJ wants to ban me, that's fine. How is it going to look banning a guy who you've lost an argument to?

2) MJ has repeated his claim that he has refuted my points, but never offers to let other Webrats members judge for themselves. It's like a defense attorney proclaiming he has evidence to prove his client's innocence, but cannot reveal it and wants the jury to acquit just because he says so. I have no reservations sharing our blogs.

3) Lastly, in typical MJ fashion, we get much verbiage, but not a single word admitting, acknowledging, conceding, apologizing for, or even refuting the obvious hypocrisy he is guilty of in this thread.

I have nothing more to add on this subject. I just want people to know that they are in for if they attempt an intelligent discussion on any matter in which MJ disagrees with them.

[michaeljohn]

To all:

I have absolutely no interest in reprising this debate here, so I will only make a few points.

1) Regardless of what MJ says regarding 300zx guy and the inability to have duplicate accounts, be reminded that he claims the mechanism to prevent this is maintained by moderators ....... like him! I don't care about his warning not to question moderators authority - the facts remain that this alleged member's existence is highly suspicious. If MJ wants to ban me, that's fine. How is it going to look banning a guy who you've lost an argument to?

2) MJ has repeated his claim that he has refuted my points, but never offers to let other Webrats members judge for themselves. It's like a defense attorney proclaiming he has evidence to prove his client's innocence, but cannot reveal it and wants the jury to acquit just because he says so. I have no reservations sharing our blogs.

3) Lastly, in typical MJ fashion, we get much verbiage, but not a single word admitting, acknowledging, conceding, apologizing for, or even refuting the obvious hypocrisy he is guilty of in this thread.

I have nothing more to add on this subject. I just want people to know that they are in for if they attempt an intelligent discussion on any matter in which MJ disagrees with them.

1) dude, I whipped your butt in the argument, I am not going to ban your pathetic ass. I already proved I didn't create an account beyond a reasonable doubt. If he wants to trivialize this, it shows how desperate he is to try to knock me down a peg.

2) We had an agreement not to cross links, but we can share material. I reposted a bit of it already. I showed some of how rexhamer lost this debate, and he lost it big. I have no problem saying this, because that is the truth. Who wants to see the whole fight and report back here what they think? No one cared before, but rexhamer is lying. He lost, and he lost big. If he won, he would have replied at the other site with a new article. All he did there was mimick me in his replies. I'm telling you, his actions there were puzzling to say the least.

3) Big words pal, reread what I said yesterday. This is Webrats. Fun and Stupidity at its best. You want to come here and lie, expect to get bitch-slapped. You were the one who wanted to defend the Celtics and you failed. No one else did, and you did a horrible job. You should apologize to all Celtics fans for how you messed up.

Besides - nobody else cares anyways. You just cannot stomach the thought that you were bested in an Internet argument, so you keep trying to find an audience that might be taken in by speculation, misinformation and faulty logic.
a) Speculation was removed from my argument and you were left the only one specualting in yours. Who's the hypocrite? you devoted about half of your last article whining about my use of it. I didn't need it to make my case, but you sure needed it to make yours.
b) misinformation? My article is full of historical fact, all of which you acknowledge. Don't get me started on what we agreed to disagree with. Pardon me, I need to now go spread this on the internet to get more overwhelming Lakers support.
c) Faulty logic? Me? No pal, it was you, and your argument was loaded with it. I isolated each case and explained why it was. You never even challenged it.

I have to go to work now, let's see what happens here while I am gone.

[BackdoorJesus]

3) Big words pal, reread what I said yesterday. This is Webrats. Fun and Stupidity at its best. You want to come here and lie, expect to get bitch-slapped. You were the one who wanted to defend the Celtics and you failed. No one else did, and you did a horrible job. You should apologize to all Celtics fans for how you messed up.

that last part made me LOL :rofl:






:bdj:

[michaeljohn]

I have the perfect avatar for rexhamer. Rather than give him a Lakers one, this fits him much better:

http://blog.ingamenow.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/big-baby.jpg

That's "Big Baby" Glen Davis crying on the bench after Kevin Garnett chewed him out earlier this year. Not saying I'll give him one, I am just saying this suits him. Oh yeah, remember all those little guys KG was picking on this year? Seems Karma bit him on the ass, a season ending injury. Too many miles on the Big 3, now, Boston is done as elite.

So far, no one has offered to have a look at the whole argument we had. Here it is in a nutshell:

1) I posted an article giving evidence the Lakers were the most successful franchise in NBA history.
2) He posted a rebutal, claiming he had my blog refuted.
3) I promptly refuted his.
4) He posted a lengthy rebutal, mainly attacking my style of argument. What's funnny is, he ignored a lot of my new evidence. His reading attention span is lacking.
5) I made a new article, removed what he objected too, used what I beat him with in 3) above, and added a bit more for good measure. Case closed, his arguments blew up in his face.

I double checked the other site, and he has no new article posted. No one has yet refuted my latest article. It's convincing and devasting to rexhamer. Yep, I can prove it. I can repost it here bit by bit. Let's see how rexhamer carries on in here now.

Oh, some members may remember a delusional nutcase member we once had named Insaniteous. Does any long time member "in the know" think he and rexhamer may be the same person? I just had a look at that classic thread Insaniteous made where he went after me and got owned over and over again and I was wondering.....

[michaeljohn]

rexhamer has said he wants out of this argument, yet he brought it back here. His profile says he went to UMass, but I really wonder about that. Let's look at one of his many gaffes in his last blog:

Take note of my comments regarding the Vikings and NY/SF Giants and the diminishment of regular season accomplishments if they are not matched by championship success. In fact, Lakers_55 now understands this concept as he posted a reply to his blog a few days ago in which he dismisses a gaudy regular season statistic because it did not necessarily result in a corresponding success in titles. I am happy to enlighten him!

My reply to him:

Regarding his last sentence, regarding a “gaudy” regular season statistic, it is in reference to teams who have won 60 games or more in the regular season. Miriam Webster defines gaudy thusly:

ostentatiously or tastelessly ornamented

marked by extravagance or sometimes tasteless showiness

Do the above definitions truly define winning 60 games in a season? I don’t think rexhamer wants to go there. For brevity, I’ll stop here.

What's really happened here is a Lakers fan has kicked his ass. He relied on all the old arguments that don't hold up anymore. Suddenly, the Celtics failures of 20 years caught up with his team. Let's look at those 20 years, also from my last blog:

I selected the Celtics’ seasons of 1987-88 to 2006-07, 20 years in total to scrutinize. This time period starts one year after their last finals appearance. It ends just before the start of last season. This is when the 22 year drought ended, as they won it all last year. During this time span, the Celtics achieved the following results:

1) 0 finals appearances

2) 2 Eastern Conference finals losses.

3) 3 Eastern Conference semi-finals losses.

4) 6 First round playoff losses

5) 9 Seasons without qualifying for the playoffs.

Now, these 20 consecutive seasons equal the Celtics 20 finals appearances. In this time frame they won 8 playoff series and lost 11. They missed the playoffs 9 times. Their 3 worst seasons saw them win 15, 19, and 24 games. They had 8 seasons where they won from 32 to 36 games. Also, please refer to my chart in my previous blog. This is the time period when the Celtics coughed up all of the advantages they held against the Lakers except titles.

there was more to it than this, I just wanted to summarize. If you want to say the Celtics are more successful than the Lakers, you still have to realize Boston has 1/3 of their history being a disaster. The Lakers have no such problems in their history. Funny thing about that is, rexhamer wants to criticize Lakes finals losses and drag them down because of them. Those are the 2nd best result a team can achieve in a season, and he says achievements short of a championship count towards a teams' success. More hypocrisy and flawed logic.

I'll add more, it depends on rexhamer. He is a nobody here. No credibility, and he certainly isn't gaining any either as I expose his words and use them against him!

[BackdoorJesus]

now now let's let bygones be bygones. rexhamer has said he doesn't want to debate any longer and I can relate after dealing with many EOTH debates that just wouldn't end...your case is made, but since there is no judge & jury for internet arguments, no one needs to answer to nor concede to anything here, we just have to get all zen & shit - bend like a reed in the wind grasshopper. this too in time shall pass.


be at peace my friend



oh and link me to Erica C's Lakers outfit photo shoot :yumyum:

[michaeljohn]

now now let's let bygones be bygones. rexhamer has said he doesn't want to debate any longer and I can relate after dealing with many EOTH debates that just wouldn't end...your case is made, but since there is no judge & jury for internet arguments, no one needs to answer to nor concede to anything here, we just have to get all zen & shit - bend like a reed in the wind grasshopper. this too in time shall pass.


be at peace my friend



oh and link me to Erica C's Lakers outfit photo shoot :yumyum:

Yeah, that's fine. Let me summarize. rexhamer said on the other site he didn't want to argue anymore, but he comes here and goes after me by spreading false accusations and lies. He claims a victory when he clearly lost. His lies have been outlined above. Now, let me say this, I have already stated I have proof he is lying, and it's in the evidence of our debate at the other site. However, if I am lying he has the perfect opportunity to take me down here by showing how I am wrong. However, that can not be done as the facts back me up.

I wonder if his wife knows her husband is a liar? She's a member here and voted for the Celtics in my last poll, so she has seen the debate:


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[rexhamer]

So much to say, but here is just a sample of typical MJ ducking the issue. I asked for a justification of his hypocrisy:

3) Lastly, in typical MJ fashion, we get much verbiage, but not a single word admitting, acknowledging, conceding, apologizing for, or even refuting the obvious hypocrisy he is guilty of in this thread.

and we get this:



3) Big words pal, reread what I said yesterday. This is Webrats. Fun and Stupidity at its best. You want to come here and lie, expect to get bitch-slapped.



And here is what was said "yesterday":


aww, did my little smack hurt you and your one-and-done Celtics? This is Webrats, grow some balls. besides as noted above, looked like you quit this place.

Still no justification, just some lame excuse that he thought I was no longer here - and that makes it OK to be hypocritical? And note also that it began two months ago.

Secondly, I have noted twice separately so far that all this debate can be made clearer to Webrats members if MJ is willing to share the other site in some fashion (even if that were to be by PM invite). And despite suggesting it twice - not a single word from MJ! What could he be hiding? I've got nothing to hide. Let's let others see our blogs and replies and judge for themselves.

Yet obviously the prospect of other members judging this debate is so frightening to MJ that he figures if he just ignores this issue it will go away.

Instead, he has decided to spoon feed his selected pieces to the forum. Talk about "Cherry-Picking"! Oh, that's right - according to the MJ School of Debate, "anything goes" and more hypocrisy is par for the course.

So there you have it - two simple questions to answer.

[rexhamer]

Another question - but not for MJ. I would like any other Webrats moderator to tell me if they feel it is appropriate for MJ to reveal information that is noted on another site, but not here (where I went to college); and the fact that my wife signed on as a member.

The second piece is clearly from an IP address match and can only be accessed by a moderator. Is it appropriate for this to be made public?

Or is it "anything goes" at Webrats.

Again, I'm not looking for MJ to reply, but any (or several) other moderators to explain this.

[BackdoorJesus]

What was posted from the profile was public information, from a user profile on Webrats, property of Webrats per our TOS.

Personal information you have revealed on another public site site is public knowledge as well; it is just reposted here.

What you put out on the internet is there for all to see; I don't think there is any impropriety here.

Now I thought you guys were done sniping at each other - is this going to continue or what?

Get back to topic please.

[michaeljohn]

Speaking of LeBron's buzzer beater for the win tonight (Only his second of career), I suddenly thought of what happened in 2004 with the Lakers and the Spurs in game 5 of the WCSF.

Lakers up by one. tim Duncan Scores with 0.8 left on the clock, which was incorrectly allowed to tick down to 0.4. See the replay below, it is clear. Then Derek Fisher hits the game winner.

YouTube - derek fisher 0.4 shot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TdZHffwOF8)

There is also this short version, filmed by a fan. I like it because you can hear the crowd groan when he makes it. Evil, aren't I?

NBA Playoffs- Derek Fisher shot w/ 0.4 on the clock (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8454500279214585281&ei=7okXSoigLZPaqAPg_oS5Bg&q=0.4&hl=en)

Similarities and differences. Two game changing shots in the last second. However, if Duncan misses his shot, Spurs lose. If Turkoglu misses his with one second left, it's overtime. Clock will run out while ball bounces out.

LeBron's shot kept them from going down 0-2 and headed to Orlando. Fisher's shot kept the Lakers from going down 3-2. I still like the Lakers chances to win that series, game 6 is in LA, and the Lakers had solved the Spurs by collapsing on Parker and Duncan. Lakers had let a big lead get away. I have seen plenty of delusional Spurs fans say the shot was illegal, it wasn't. They also claim they win the series with the Lakers, and go on to win a title. Sorry, no one would have beaten Detroit that year. So LeBron's shot may turn out to be a bigger one than Fisher's, depending on the outcome of that series. Either way, it was hype for the NBA, "Where Amazing Happens". 4 close games, with 3 last second shots to win or tie. Only one did the trick.

I'll look for a video of the two shots tonight later. However, the Nuggets and Magic are for real. So are the Lakers and Cavs, and now the burden is on them to prove it.

[michaeljohn]

Here is my IP - 3.54.33.165

Who cares if an IP is posted, BFD!!

Now, lets get back to the thread idea of Sports and Basketball!!

Since this should be about the teams currently playing, no further discussions will be allowed!!

Cleveland, Denver, LA, Orlando are the only teams that can be discussed.

Anyone else whine and cry about anything but these teams in the playoffs this year (2009), then you will be banned by me!!!

(No, I am not a moderator!!!!)



Yeah, that ignore member function in your user CP works great, I would suggest you and others use it when and where appropriate.

I wanted to add just a bit about the conspiracy theories that abound. There is no way either of these series have been rigged.

I can't prove it, but I can think of one finals series that was highly suspicous, and I know others have stated opinions on how the Miami vs. Dallas finals in 2006 was rigged. I even can make a case where it's possible one NBA superstar of high esteem was "on the take" and tanked a series for the mob. However, that's all theoretical, without proof, and beyond the scope of this discussion.

We have one instance that can be proven, and that's Referee Tim Donaghy who bet on games he worked. (You folks do know he was caught, convicted and sent to prison I hope). He clearly cost the Suns their series with the Spurs in 2007. Phoenix has a gripe, as do Utah, and Cleveland. They both proceded to play opponents they shouldn't have.

What's funny about this is Donaghy said the 2002 WCF series with the Lakers and Kings was rigged. Of course people had been saying that for years, and cite game 6. Nothing is further from the truth. First off, let me digress a moment. I was talking to a friend that coaches HS basketball. I said, if I were a coach, I would teach my players to never complain about a call, and I wouldn't either. The reason being my team would have reputation for honest play, and to me, that means karma will be good to us. My friend said, he has to gripe, else the refs will walk all over his team. I find that sad, but what do I know, perhaps he's right.

Ok, back to 2002. In game 5, there were a lot of bad calls that enabled The Kings to win. Phil Jackson bitched hard. Perhaps the refs took heed in game 6, I can't say. People focus a lot on a play where Kobe elbowed Bibby in the mouth, and nothing was called. Lakers had the ball with 12.6 seconds left and a 1 point lead. It appears at the 1:18 mark and is replayed over the next few minutes.

YouTube - Kings vs. Lakers, 2002 WCF Game 6, Part 3 of 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0KJvlSUB-w)

What the video shows you is Bibby is grabbing Kobe first, trying to deny him the ball. Kobe is just trying to break free and while extending his arms, his elbow pops Bibby. It was a good non-call. Bibby fouled Kobe first. In the late seconds, just let them play.

There was a bad call in the Lakers Nuggets game late, probably more than one. With the Lakers down 2 and seconds left, there was a jump ball, which Lakers won, but promptly turned over. A Nugget clearly entered the jump circle before the ball was tipped. the announcers said it is a clear violation and should be ball out to the side to Lakers. However, number 1, it wasn't called. Number 2, does that mean the Lakers win? No, it doesn't. Probably we still turn the ball over or miss a shot and lose more time on the clock. As it stood, we had a chance to tie as Billups missed a free throw. Calls balance out. I make no excuses.

So, if the Lakers and the Cavs do get a split on the road, or better, it is possible if the games are close the conspiracy theories will pop up again. Clearly, that is the matchup the NBA, and the nation want.

See, an interesting thing about the Lakers is we are the most hated team in the NBA. I don't hate any team in the league. I love it when I see people say they hate the Lakers. That's exactly what we want. I particularly don't hate the Celtics. That's what they want. Yet, their fans sure hate us, lol. Must be because Lakers are the greatest franchise in NBA history. I certainly shook up a lot of people being able to make that claim. It was 100% to the Celtics as being best 20 years ago. Now, it isn't, it's a debate. That is driving Cetlics fans nuts. I mentioned all this because there are other ridiculous conspiracies about the Lakers, how getting Pau Gasol from Memphis was cheating. Mostly Spurs fans make that gripe because it made the Lakers better than them. I bring it up because it is relevant to this discussion of conspiracies, all this Lakers/Celtics love/hate. Just as I made a thread here after the trade that we could see a Lakers vs Celtic finals. Even NBA commisioner Stern went on record in an interview stating a LA vs. Boston finals was his dream matchup. When it happened, it fueled the conspiracy theories even more.

What people fail to relaize is just this: Suppose proof does come out that series are rigged. Goodbye NBA. It's done. All the best players head to Europe and Asia. I can't fathom the NBA rigging series for exactly that reason. We invented basketball, now the world has embraced it. There is nothing we can do about another crooked referee or a player "on the take" except hope they get caught.

Right now, it looks like a Nuggets vs. Magic finals, as they have HCA and have shown they can win on the road. If it ends up Lakers vs. Cavs, I just hope the conspiracy theorists have nothing to work with. Stay tuned!

[rexhamer]

You all seem to have a nice NBA thread going (except MJ, who just cannot resist tossing in his Lakers theory at every opportunity), so I will not belabor this point.

What was posted from the profile was public information, from a user profile on Webrats, property of Webrats per our TOS.

Personal information you have revealed on another public site site is public knowledge as well; it is just reposted here.

What you put out on the internet is there for all to see; I don't think there is any impropriety here.

Now I thought you guys were done sniping at each other - is this going to continue or what?

Get back to topic please.

BDJ - I appreciate your response, and I do not know if you are a moderator, but I disagree with your reply. I can understand how public information in a user's profile is there for the public, or even when it comes from another source, but the information that Jamesson888 is my wife is NOT public information. This is not noted anywhere in her public profile. This information could only be provided by MJ because he has abused his moderator's authority. A pretty sad way to try to score some points!

I will respond to MJ's blog on the other site in short order.

[BackdoorJesus]

Actually rex, I am a moderator here and that is why I responded to your request that a moderator review your issue. There is no "abuse of moderator authority" in effect here - he used the tools we have here to trace the user accounts coming from your IP addresses and inferred from those other user accounts (four of them - you really need to re-read our policy on keeping alternate identities) that one of them was your wife. That, or some other female that resides at your house. Not rocket science and not certainly not sinister.

We're all grownups here, and I have told you all repeatedly to get back on topic in this thread. Do it.

If you have additional complaints to make about the staff of webrats I suggest you contain it to the helpdesk and keep it out of this thread because I'm not here to babysit and I'm about one post away from handing out the long-term bans.

[michaeljohn]

You all seem to have a nice NBA thread going (except MJ, who just cannot resist tossing in his Lakers theory at every opportunity), so I will not belabor this point.



BDJ - I appreciate your response, and I do not know if you are a moderator, but I disagree with your reply. I can understand how public information in a user's profile is there for the public, or even when it comes from another source, but the information that Jamesson888 is my wife is NOT public information. This is not noted anywhere in her public profile. This information could only be provided by MJ because he has abused his moderator's authority. A pretty sad way to try to score some points!

I will respond to MJ's blog on the other site in short order.

Dude, bring it. You have a lot of lying at this site which I will be using against you. You are the one that gave away the information that the other account is your wife. Where? In this post. You could have just said it was an alter ego, or a friend. All I have is an IP match. We have friends here who share the same computer, and they certainly aren't married. I simply guessed it was your wife, and you took the bait. That isn't the first time I suckered you into taking the bait, lol, look what I did in my last blog. I made you refute your kind of flawed argument and you didn't like it one bit. You never fail to self-own yourself. My claim the Lakers are the best is relevant to this discussion. That other site has TOS as well, and if you go against that by going after me, I will be complaining to that site. Watch out, or you just may lose that account.

I guess you don't want Boston fans to get that blog I promised, it will never be posted now. Too bad. So, look at my last posts in my blog. Since you can't attack speculation anymore, you have a shitload of flawed logic to deal with. I beat you there, fair and square, and I'll do it again. I have to laugh above how you say I "Cherry Picked" what I posted from my last article. At least I got you to finally realize what Cherry Picking is! However, I wasn't "Cherry Picking" the best arguments I had. Everything I posted refuted your blog, everything. I just offered a sample in case anyone was interested. I asked, and no one has come forward to see it all.

You are an embarrasment to your team and their fans. If you were smart, you would let it go. No one cares. Remember this, you are a nobody here. According to BDJ, you may not even be here anymore if you keep this crap up. I want you here.

You wanted to beat me in an internet argument and you didn't. You got wiped out. You must be a glutton for punishment if you want to do it on a stage as huge as the other one is. Just live with the fact that Lakers vs. Celtics is now a debate, it wasn't 20 years ago.

As I said before, welcome to Webrats, fun and stupidity at its best. I am here for fun, you fit the stupid part. You always incriminate yourself. You claim abuse without even understanding what this site is all about.

Now, I told BDJ I wouldn't be replying to you here, so I broke my word. Damnit, an idiot like you needs to get bitch-slapped again. By the way, look, you still have no avatar and user title. However, at the other site, the guy in your avatar is wearing Laker purple! :rofl: you put it there!

[michaeljohn]

Damn, the split thread option is gone, I want to split the argmuent out of here into a new thread. Backdoor Jesus, remember when we could split a thread?

rexhamer, I just posted a reply in your blog, so you should get email notification, I hope you come here before you keep the fight going over there. I said above I wouldn't post the Boston blog. If you drop the fight over there, I will, when I have time. You know this fight takes my priority. Boston fans will be disappointed enough with you, allow them something nice instead.

Oh, and BackdoorJesus is a supermod, just as I am. Notice his username is in bold and italicized, just as mine is. Normal mods are only in bold.

[michaeljohn]

crap, I copied the other thread to create this one and am trying to delete the non-smack posts in here and I keep getting page cannot be displayed errors. I'll try later. Once this thread is fixed, I'll delete the smack posts in the other thread and let rexhamer get the sand out of his vagina in here.

Anything goes.

[michaeljohn]

lol I hit merge instead of move and all the posts I wanted moved disappeared. All is not lost. I restored the copy of this thread, but still can't open page 1 so I can restore those posts and try again.


Damn, the split thread option is gone, I want to split the argmuent out of here into a new thread. Backdoor Jesus, remember when we could split a thread?

All you need to do now is to check off the posts you want to split off, then select the "Move Posts" option from the drop down menu at the bottom of the forum. You'll be given the option then to move them to a new thread or to an existing thread.

[BackdoorJesus]

LOL you dink

knows enough to get into trouble and just now, finally, is learning how to get out of it :rolleyes:

so proud of our boy <sniff>







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[michaeljohn]

Let's talk some smack. The argument rexhamer and I got into ages ago was who was the most successful franchise, Lakers or Boston. Let's be honest here. 20 years ago, there was no debate. It was Boston. Now there is an argument and has to do with the disastrous years of 1986-87 to 2006-07 endured by the Celtics. In that time frame, the Celtics coughed up every significant advantage they held except titles, and that got closer. I proved it to mine and other people's satisfaction that the Lakers are the superior franchise. Is it unanimous? No it isn't. Some people only go by titles. However there is enough evidence of the real story to have a closer look.

Let's list the actual historical categories that are relevant:

1) Titles: Celtics 17, Lakers 14: Edge Celtics, plus 3

2) NBA Finals appearances, and conference finals wins: Lakers 29, Celtics 20. Edge Lakers, plus 9

3) NBA Conference Finals appearances: Lakers 38, Celtics 31, Edge Lakers, plus 7

4) NBA Conference Finals losses: Lakers 9, Celtics 11, Edge Lakers, plus 2.

5) Who’s best, season by season over the entire NBA history: Lakers 34, Celtics, 22, equal 5. (Or Lakers 37, Celtics 24) Edge Lakers, plus 12 (or 13)

6) Playoff appearances: Lakers 55/60, Celtics 45/60: Edge Lakers, plus 10.

7) Franchise regular season winning percentages, Lakers 61.7%, Celtics 59.3%, Edge Lakers.

I had a couple of more categories in this list which I removed. At any rate, a list like this allows a neutral fan to compare and make a decision.

Now, let's get to the topic of my argument with rexhamer. His articles claim that none of the items listed from 2-9 are relevant to the discussion as he has refuted each and every one of them. His whole article is full of flawed logic, contradiction of his own criterea, and speculation which I clearly demonstrated. His last published article was devoted to my use of speculation which was only used to make things a bit clearer. I removed it from my rebuttal and refuted his entire article. In short, I kicked his ass.

rexhamer had 3 additional categories in the argument which I clearly refuted, and proved by his own hypocrisy, do not even belong. These are mentioned above, 17-3, 9-2, and 14-15. I am sure when he posted his last article he smugly thought he had me beat, but he was in for quite a rude surprise.

He has yet to reply to my article, yet claims above he has refuted them. He did reply 3 times to my article with some puzzling posts. I quickly realized all he was doing was mimicking me, and my arrogant attitude. Yeah, you that know me here know how I get when I argue, lol.

Here follows the dilogue between us after my last article:

Once again, Celtics fans never saw the day a Lakers fan could show up and out debate them with the facts. rexhamer tried, and his arguments have been laid to rest for good.

There is no shame for a Celtics fan to admit that the Lakers are the superior franchise. Boston is still ahead of every other team. No shame in you guys admitting you're second to us now.

"arguments have been laid to rest for good"?

You need to go back and re-read my blog. All your points were addressed and refuted.

I win Internet arguments becuase I do extensive research, post stats to support my case, and publish lengthy articles. You have fallen into the trap of many Lakers fans - you did not read the entire blog. You cannot "cherry pick" the parts of the blog that you want to address.

Go back and read the entire blog.

Oh come on now. I just refuted your refutations. I addressed everything, see how I reposted the relevant parts of it this time, leaving out only the speculation paragraphs? I also refuted your first blog with my previous one. The speculation part in the first deserved no comment this time.

What we have now is a basis for people to make an opinion. I have presented a whole list of refutations to your arguments with new data. If you want to keep the blog war alive, fine; your work is cut out for you. Or you can just let it go, people don't care. If you want to believe you already refuted my arguments, fine. However, keep in mind, I caught you speculating on the relevance of 17-3, 9-2, and 14-15. Show me another sport where favorable stats like those are listed among primary categories to determine who is most successful. I'd wager you won't as most sports have a dominant champion. I would also have to say it must be proved in every sport. There's that darn IEttR again. You also have a large amount of flawed logic to explain away.

I don't expect you to give in that the Lakers are superior. However, you should agree that it is now open for debate. There is no correct answer who is better now. 20 years ago, no debate. Live with the present.

Now, just let me know if you want to keep the war going on or not. I gave you what you wanted, a speculation free debate. We have a fair historically accurate scorecard, free from bias. It only contains facts. People who pick the Celtics feel having the most titles is the deciding factor. People who are willing to count consistency pick the Lakers, because they hold every other significant advantage. Similar arguments abound elsewhere as Spurs fans pick themselves over the Bulls as being more successful.


Also, remember what I said on the other board where we met. I win arguments. That, and my ego for always winning are why people won't debate me over there. For heaven's sake, look how I turned this one around on you. If you want to be the first to beat me, go ahead and try.

Oh, by the way, I went back and read your blog. Nothing new there that hasn't been dealt with here. Obviously, you didn't read my previous one, look how much new information I added to it you never addressed in your last one. I had to repeat it here. I found it especially humorous that you indicated you had already "refuted" certain points without ever bothering to acknowledge new information that supported my refutations. Who's "Cherry Picking"? You are. That's your whole case.

Just let me know what you plan to do; fight here, in a new blog, or not at all. I have a Boston blog I do wish to start on. I am not as enthusiastic about it now, can't say when I'll get started. However, you will love it, I promise. I do deliver on promises, you have to agree with that!

Remember, every fan may know about 9-2, 17-3, and 14-15, but that doesn't mean they are prominent in their discussions, or whether they consider them primary categories. Only Celtics fans will for certain. Opinion does not create primary categories. You have a great deal to prove to the world this is so. I saw one website that list the Celtics being 17-3 in the finals, and one that says the Lakers have 15 finals losses. Every other one I saw doesn't say that. That IEttR kills your chances to restore them as primary categories quickly and easily. This doesn't include the fact that I already refuted them seperately. Maybe now that I have written my blog, sites will note that the Lakers are actually ahead 36-24. That's the real fact, learn to live with it. 9-2 is "Cherry Picking" and we know the fate that notion was dealt.

Grrrr.....

Some of the things I didn't address from your blog don't need to be dealt with. Particularly, your comparison about champions in other sports that have better finals records, and how their regular season results carry over to the postseason. I don't need to because I have exposed your flawed logic in this already. You hold our finals losses against us. This contradicts your premise that success may be measured in areas other than a championship. What else is more successful than a finals loss besides a championship? Nothing. A finals loss is the 2nd best thing a team can accomplish. You can't make the Lakers 9 extra conference finals appearances magically disappear, and make them out to be a negative. They remain a tremendous Lakers advantage. Lakers got to the finals 29 times and performed nearly 50-50, with corresponding results in game results. Again, you can't fathom this, because your team didn't get to the finals as many times and have to play tougher opponents. There just isn't a dominant champion in the NBA, no matter what you may think. I also addressed how the Lakers are showing why their regular season record is getting them more titles. You totally ignored it the first time I addressed it and still have no answer after I had to repeat it. Anything else I didn't cover I will be happy to provide a refutation for.

Double Grrr.....

Closing for now, rexhamer has made one post. He claims he wins internet arguments. He claims I didn't read his blog, yet doesn't say what I left out. He accuses me of "Cherry Picking" what I discuss. I proved he "Cherry Picks" to make his entire argument.

Fact is, I say I win internet arguments and I am winning this war of the words. The topic and interpretation of the data is up for debate, but I have demonstrated how his article fails on all counts. I have shown many examples of his flawed logic. I have shown how he doesn't even read my blog; he claims he has things refuted and doesn't even address the new evidence. That's incredulous. Especially when he accuses me of not reading his blog!

Triple Grrr.... Ball is in your court rexhamer. Serve or let the topic die. I think only you and I are watching this debate. I doubt if anyone else is, and they won't step in and admit it if they are.

You need to go back and re-read my blog again.

Just because you say you refuted something doesn't mean it is refuted. My argument is a serious blow to Lakers fans who thought the old arguments didn't hold up anymore. I have proven they still do.

Go back and re-read my blog, only you should read it thoroughly, don't just skim it. All you points are refuted. Your latest blog changes nothing.

All your last two posts show is what I tell you and others. I suspected it with your first post today and tried to save you some grief with a bit of review evidence in case you planned a rebuttal. I already told (Celtics fan name removed) you may be planning one, see the Lakers board early AM PST. Now, your second post confirms it. I don't understand your game. Is it to mess with me by acting like me? LOL, I could give a rats arse. You don't like the way I argue? Tough, I told you I was arrogant about anythng concerning the Lakers. I also know how to argue, and I always win. The fact I boast about that is why no one will engage me at the other site. You wanted to, and you got whipped.

Stick to the topic. Debate it or let it die. one more question, that's all.

Why is the guy in your avatar wearing Lakers purple?



One time, when I was ten years old, I had an argument with a friend of mine. He said vanilla was the best flavor of ice cream. I said it was chocolate.

We then asked 10 of our friends what they liked and 8 said chocolate. I win arguments because I do research. That is how I have proven that the Celtics are the most successful franchise in NBA history. Even stubborn Lakers fans now agree with me.

You can concede any time. There is no shame in being No. 2!

ROFL

You just want to mimick me. Well, if it makes you feel good, do it. It probably won't impress anyone.

I made promises in your blogs and I delivered. Look at what you are doing.

Your avatar looks great in Lakers purple!

By the way: I know you hate it that a Lakers fan bested you in this argument, and deals smack back at you and all the Celtics fans that rush in to defend your team.

36-24 Lakers over Celtics, 1947-2008! Live with it! 9-2 doesn't count for squat!

The Los Angeles Lakers, the most successful and greatest franchise in NBA history!

Well, rexhamer your team survived the Bulls and didn't yet fall 37-24 behind the Lakers. Good luck next round vs. the Magic. We don't care if we face the Cavs, but we really want the Celtics. You know the rest of what I might say now.

Just think, if you make it to the finals and lose to us, that's more success for your team!

Just thought I'd add something here. rexhamer was welcomed to concede the Lakers as better ages ago at the other site. This was a time he wasn't arguing and I had the better case. He did tell me he based his case on 9-2, 17-3, and 14-15, but provided no "proof" until he came here. Not only have I refuted them, I turned the tables on him and kicked them out because they are speculation on his part. That's the irony in all of this. He was beat in my previous blog and based his entire rebuttal on eliminating speculation to invalidate my claim. So, he lost his main advantages in a most unexpected way. I didn't even rub it in.

However....Even though 9-2, 17-3, and 14-15 don't belong in the debate, the Celtics edge of 17-14 will still cause many people to select Boston as the most successful. He doesn't need those refuted and logically flawed "Cherry Picked" statistics to keep people on his side. Perhaps he was insecure because of all the ground the Lakers made up from 1988-2007.

However, again, it is a debate. It wasn't 20 years ago. That in itself is a major victory for the Lakers. Many people do select the Lakers now. I rest my case.

[michaeljohn]

Oh, by the way. Any mod, Webrats subscriber, or OG member (Original gangster, those that joined in 2003) can click any member's profile just as I did with rexhamer's spouse. It used to be that anyone could see a profile, but management changed it a couple of years back. Let's assure rexhamer again, I did not abuse my moderator power. If I was going to do that, he would have had a custom avatar ages ago.

Here is mine, and what I put in it:

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[michaeljohn]

Remember those LeBron James home movies he "took" before every game?

http://uploader.ws/upload/200905/cavsfish00.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200905/2n1yjbk.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200905/LEFISH01.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200905/LEFISH002.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200905/LEFISH03.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200905/LEFISH05.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200905/LEFISH08.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200905/LEFISH09.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200905/m2uzxlz7.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200905/35d57p3.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200905/zLeBronJamesisacryingbaby.jpg

[MrEfrisk]

On the game last night on TNT did they show Lebron and the cavs going fishing? Is that picture of Lebron taking a picture of his teammates with fish from TNT? I must have missed it but I did however see the nuggets gone fishin.

[michaeljohn]

On the game last night on TNT did they show Lebron and the cavs going fishing? Is that picture of Lebron taking a picture of his teammates with fish from TNT? I must have missed it but I did however see the nuggets gone fishin.

I missed out the TNT post game, I was spending time with a new lady friend so I don't know where it originated. I just found it on the net, as I did the following:

Denver Nuggets:
http://uploader.ws/upload/200905/ept_sports_nba_experts7591692661243696780.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200905/carmelosisland.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200905/nba_a_karl_400.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200905/112557852_142d64ccd6.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200905/smithcirator.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200905/3567928406_0b633f966b_o.gif

LeBron, Kobe, Lakers:
http://uploader.ws/upload/200905/05a41cdfabc7ffec19341b52e97658f6getty87746194fm118 _cavaliers_magic.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200905/3565092445_3aa7e41b4c_o.png
http://uploader.ws/upload/200905/jacklakersfan.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200905/183456736_1844664.gif

The one and done Boston Celtics:
http://www.inanemusings.com/images/gone-fishing.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200905/326745021.jpg

[michaeljohn]

a little photoshop on the names goes a long way. However, Sam Cassall was the alien, he looks like ET.

http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/allenrondopierce.jpg

[michaeljohn]

The Nike Kobe/LeBron puppet commercials are still alive:

YouTube - Lil Dez Has a Word With LeBron About D12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-63R0T6N1k)

[rexhamer]

everything I posted refuted your blog, everything. I just offered a sample in case anyone was interested. I asked, and no one has come forward to see it all.


When exactly did you ask? Please provide a quote.

[michaeljohn]

When exactly did you ask? Please provide a quote.

I asked twice, posts 20 and 33:



2) We had an agreement not to cross links, but we can share material. I reposted a bit of it already. I showed some of how rexhamer lost this debate, and he lost it big. I have no problem saying this, because that is the truth. Who wants to see the whole fight and report back here what they think?




I have to laugh above how you say I "Cherry Picked" what I posted from my last article. At least I got you to finally realize what Cherry Picking is! However, I wasn't "Cherry Picking" the best arguments I had. Everything I posted refuted your blog, everything. I just offered a sample in case anyone was interested. I asked, and no one has come forward to see it all.


So, I'll ask again, does anyone care to see it and report back? So far, no one does. I have been engaging other Celtics fans around the net to refute my latest and they aren't even trying. No one cares. Didn't we figure that out in April?

[michaeljohn]

Whoops, a guy who got away last year, Magic let him go as he had no outside shot, yet:

http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/33539772.jpg

Best player in the NBA today:

http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/kobepuppet.pnghttp://uploader.ws/upload/200906/bmkb.jpg

[rexhamer]

I asked twice, posts 20 and 33:





So, I'll ask again, does anyone care to see it and report back? So far, no one does. I have been engaging other Celtics fans around the net to refute my latest and they aren't even trying. No one cares. Didn't we figure that out in April?

A rhetorical question posted in the middle of a paragraph? It’s a moot point anyway as you let slip your screen name from the other site in one of your posts. Besides, nobody cares about the details of this fight, but they may be very interested in the results. To that end …….

[rexhamer]

You are so wonderfully predictable! I set a trap and you walked right into it. I knew that if I laid low for a few days you wouldn’t be able to resist blabbering on and would eventually put your foot in your mouth.

At any rate, a list like this allows a neutral fan to compare and make a decision.

Yes – let’s take a look at what neutral fans had to say.

I suckered you in and you took the bait! You must look pretty silly with a big hook sticking out if your mouth. ROLF! I was going to make this point about neutral fans anyway, but the fact that you have introduced it first will prevent you from dismissing this notion when the results devastate your case. Let’s take a look at those results in a new thread. Fun and stupidity. I am about to have the last laugh and your stupidity is going to help.

And one other thing. I offered to respect each other’s opinions and agree to disagree. You declined.

When you posted your last blog I did not start a point-by-point rebuttal. I just let it stand when you rested your case.

You made a promise in the new NBA thread not to bring this issue back up. You broke that promise.

So when you are crying in your beer after I tear you a new one – remember that you asked for it.

[BackdoorJesus]

hahaha losersayswhat? :cry:

Come back next year rex, when your semifinal-losing-candyass-crybaby celtics might actually matter again.

[michaeljohn]

You are so wonderfully predictable! I set a trap and you walked right into it. I knew that if I laid low for a few days you wouldn’t be able to resist blabbering on and would eventually put your foot in your mouth.



Yes – let’s take a look at what neutral fans had to say.

I suckered you in and you took the bait! You must look pretty silly with a big hook sticking out if your mouth. ROLF! I was going to make this point about neutral fans anyway, but the fact that you have introduced it first will prevent you from dismissing this notion when the results devastate your case. Let’s take a look at those results in a new thread. Fun and stupidity. I am about to have the last laugh and your stupidity is going to help.

And one other thing. I offered to respect each other’s opinions and agree to disagree. You declined.

When you posted your last blog I did not start a point-by-point rebuttal. I just let it stand when you rested your case.

You made a promise in the new NBA thread not to bring this issue back up. You broke that promise.

So when you are crying in your beer after I tear you a new one – remember that you asked for it.

I don't think so, remember what happened last time. As I said, bring it. Meanwhile, you suckered me you say, I did that to you more than once. Trying my tricks, eh? LOL.

You are really pathetic. No one cares what goes on in here, that's pretty evident. However, your work is cut out for you over there. As I said, bring it. Your flawed logic is quite a bit to overcome.

[michaeljohn]

let's look at some Laker girls! Last pic is kinda NWS:

http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/Lakergirlcrotchshot.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/lakergirls6.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/bestof_16.png

[michaeljohn]

my anatgonist, rexhamer, (who is the reason this thread was split) enjoyed his 15 minutes of fame claiming he beat me in an internet argument in another thread here:

clicky: http://forums.webrats.com/f36/celtics_vs_lakers_final_chapter-218303/

Well, I have replied, and handed him his ass on a platter as promised. I never saw a worse arguer than him in my life. He ignores a good portion of my argument, particularly the parts I rolled him over with! your replies to the duel are welcomed, if you care.

Bring on more smack! LOL, Celtics are done and headed for oblivion again! Lakers are the greatest franchise in NBA history. I proved it, rexhamer only wishes he could say the same for his fallen Celtics!

[michaeljohn]

The Joker's Daughter, Lorraine Nicholson; Would you hit it?

If you have been watching the Lakers in the NBA playoffs this season, eventually the camera will give you glimpse of the many celebrities in attendance. Naturally the most famous Lakers fan, Jack Nicholson, is always shown. Well, lately he has been seen in the company of a stunning blonde. Turns out she is Lorraine Nicholson, his daughter.

I have bunch of her pics below. Once you look a bit closer, you really see Jack in her. So I wonder, if you're hitting it missionary position instead of doggie style, would visions of Jack as the Joker or "Here's Johnny" in the Shining pop into your head?

http://filmlinc.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/jack-nicholson_joker2.jpg
http://steelerstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/jack-nicholson-the-shining.jpg

Ok, here's that scene from the Shining. If you missed it, lol at you.

YouTube - The Best Part Of The Shining (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TVooUHN7j4)

Ok, here's the pics with Lorraine from the games:

http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Celebrities+Attend+NBA+Finals+Game+2+Orlando+9He0E eTJCwzl.jpg
http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Celebrities+Attend+NBA+Finals+Game+2+Orlando+EZDak DVQtIol.jpg
http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Celebrities+Attend+NBA+Finals+Game+2+Orlando+FcFi1 05gFrAl.jpg
http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Celebrities+Attend+NBA+Finals+Game+2+Orlando+Rtw5T FcW8VNl.jpg
http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Celebrities+Attend+NBA+Finals+Game+2+Orlando+bE_G6 3OCvkOl.jpg
http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Celebrities+At+The+Lakers+Game+6HXG-mG-OTIl.jpg
http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Celebrities+At+The+Lakers+Game+GNcI00KdOL2l.jpg
http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Celebrities+At+The+Lakers+Game+mv8JB3ODS_jl.jpg
http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Celebrities+At+The+Lakers+Game+qJZJgcKSMLrl.jpg
http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Celebrities+At+The+Lakers+Game+rQuCHQC7xnCl.jpg
http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Celebrities+At+The+Lakers+Game+E1qwz8MHMbjl.jpg
http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Celebrities+At+The+Lakers+Game+I9UmbDQ3z5Ol.jpg
http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Celebrities+At+The+Lakers+Game+duIFWnxYz1Al.jpg
http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Celebrities+NBA+Finals+Game+3+LA+Lakers+Vs+53niP9S 5DIhl.jpg
http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Celebrities+NBA+Finals+Game+3+LA+Lakers+Vs+AA5HPsG X0jMl.jpg
http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Celebrities+NBA+Finals+Game+3+LA+Lakers+Vs+HKmBiN7 Z9Vml.jpg
http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Celebrities+NBA+Finals+Game+3+LA+Lakers+Vs+h_ZjDUD kRQWl.jpg
http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Celebrities+NBA+Finals+Game+3+LA+Lakers+Vs+xClXiE_ xiXEl.jpg

[koЯnut]

And the Crew gets crap for the Mainstay war? At least that stuff is funny.

[michaeljohn]

And the Crew gets crap for the Mainstay war? At least that stuff is funny.

do we give you crap for that? Lately, no one is that I have seen, I don't remember last year except we tried to keep it in one thread...

meanwhile, this gif is funnier than shit. Watch where Kobe's right hand goes, and what it grabs:

http://i42.tinypic.com/30kzzgi.gif

[joerockhead]

......
meanwhile, this gif is funnier than shit. Watch where Kobe's right hand goes, and what it grabs:

http://i42.tinypic.com/30kzzgi.gif




Bwahahaha!!!! I never saw that until you pointed it out!!!

Yup, Kobe and Pau are lovers!!!!!!! :bowrofl:

[koЯnut]

do we give you crap for that? Lately, no one is that I have seen, I don't remember last year except we tried to keep it in one thread...


:bowrofl:

[michaeljohn]

Bwahahaha!!!! I never saw that until you pointed it out!!!

Yup, Kobe and Pau are lovers!!!!!!! :bowrofl:

Could be, but they are also taking turns tagging Dwight Howard.

http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/24l8m6h.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/extras_albumes_0.jpg

[michaeljohn]

this stuff is endless!

http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/kobetongue.gif
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/SashaKobe.jpg

[michaeljohn]

more fun pics...,from breakfast of champions, to jessica alba in a Lakers colored bikini, to sesame street, to the thuggets...

http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/12_1.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/alba.jpg

Lookalikes:
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/omg_2.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/400pxAbelardo.jpg

for joerockhead
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/ifqic93y1l7zfdwjjdrh.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/nuggets.jpg

I have more look alikes, I'll have to dig them up.

[michaeljohn]

Man these crazy photos have no end. Here's a couple more:

http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/akers_travel.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/nba_a_pietrus1_576.jpg

[michaeljohn]

Well, since I obviously don't mind poking fun at my own team, let's go after the Celtics.

YouTube - celtics suck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHRR7l9Rw-w)

YouTube - Celtics Suck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkQZkWL6BII)

YouTube - Where Boston Celtics Suck Happens (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j93YF_aEekE)

YouTube - Boston Sucks! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwwnFOOa9LA)

YouTube - Lakers/Celtics 12/25/08 - Last 60sec (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZi0KnJqtks)

YouTube - Lakers vs Celtics Game Highlights Christmas Day 2008 (HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STLfNZdiwlI)

YouTube - BOSTON CELTICS SUCK IF YOU AGREE COMMENT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dqDh9RSTIY)

YouTube - NBA Where Boston Celtics Sucks Happens (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGubQDRPzi4)

YouTube - Boston Celtics - Bandwagoners (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb5Uqeb6ui0)

[michaeljohn]

watch the Blonde gal on the left behind the announcers. she falls and her friends don't notice! I'll have more stuff up later, I got lots of cool gifs and pics and such from the game last night.

YouTube - Blonde Girl Orlando Magic Fan Falls Down (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL-l3kIo0Rc)

[michaeljohn]

Here's a few gifs and pics from last night's game:

Nelson's chin fouls Kobe's elbow. Good no call, experts agree, even Nelson and Van Gundy. Jameer flat out ran into Kobe:

http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/files/2321/kobe%2520elbow6440963.gif

Pietrus flagrant foul on Gasol. No suspension, lol. Clear intent to harm with two clenched fists in the back.

http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/files/2321/2ufpsgo.gif

Fisher's game tying shot at 4.6 seconds left 4th quarter:

http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/files/2321/27zdjso.gif

Fisher's reaction after 3 pointer in Overtime:

http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/files/2321/Fisher.gif

Fisher's game tying shot. Carlos Boozer and Dwayne Wade are on right side of photo:

http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/files/2321/DFish-TheShot.jpg

what's left now:

http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/files/2321/aazt37.jpg

[michaeljohn]

Too bad Lakers aren't playing the one and done Celtics. We would be 4-0 by now. Reminder, we beat them twice. We stopped two winning streaks of 19 and 12 games. This game, we didn't have Bynum, winning in the garden with last years' lineup. Oh, Boston was fully healthy in both games. Look for Odom's swat on punk Kevin Garnett's ass at the 3 minute mark. KG backed away because Odom is bigger than him. Little bitch Rondo gets Kobe after him at the 2 minute spot.

Lakers > Celtics

YouTube - lakers at celtics 2/5/09 overtime game. kobe bryant 26 pts. gasol 24. last second shot !! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUy1w94k_dM)

[michaeljohn]

Last pic is NWS

http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/Fishertrey4GE1.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/LALakers3DLogoWallpaper.jpg

nekkid laker girls, NWS:
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/Lakergirlsnekkid.jpg

[michaeljohn]

Kobe's first games as a Laker. Derek Fisher has a mohawk in this video.

YouTube - 17 Year Old Kobe Bryant's 1st Pro Game as a Los Angeles Laker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0M0Hmy_78E)

Fisher's two 3 pointers in game 4 vs. the Magic. Jameer Nelson walked into Kobe's elbow, and admitted it after.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkqjNJs2hNc

[michaeljohn]

Chicago Bulls and ex-Florida Gator Joakim Noah and Naked Woman

Obviously NWS

Clicky: Terez Photo Albums | Terez Owens (http://www.terezowens.com/albums/?album=1)

Plus, a few random pics....

http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/l01.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/l02.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/l03.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/l04.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/l05.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/l06.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/l07.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/l08.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/l09.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/l10.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/l11.jpg

[michaeljohn]

http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/mbenga_daco.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/kb1.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/kb2.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/kb3.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/kb4.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/kb5.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/kb6.jpg

[michaeljohn]

YouTube - Lakers 2008-2009 Champs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62e9ojTxYSY)

[michaeljohn]

Looks like Paul Pierce is wanting the Kobe cawk:

http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/suckitboston_color.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/drugs2.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/lakersflash.gif
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/kobe.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/kobespikecopyA1.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/f_43878415190m_1c8b46b.gif
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/2009CHAMPS.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/FUCKBOSTONsmaller.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/lakerbutt1.jpg

[michaeljohn]

YouTube - MVPs - Kobe & LeBron (Celebration) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ri65Spg0Ts)

[michaeljohn]

Mostly pics from the Lakers parade and rally at the Coliseum yesterday.

http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/29cnay8.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/3448sua.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/81641e524b278a741db28c4b2ccbe31egettybbklakers_vic tory_parade.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/ad080baa0e413d480d264aa1771ad47fgettybknnbafinalla kersmagic.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/ajuope1.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/b64kmd.jpg

This guy got mugged at the rally:

http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/braveordumb.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/d295c73f78b6f8d94880b5a1a8cb4929gettybbklakers_vic tory_parade.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/jackmvp.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/mhzm13.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/nb9kap.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/sox0dc.jpg

[michaeljohn]

Let's see a few Beantowners cry....We already saw "Big Baby" Davis do so...

http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/celticsmagic2009game1fat.jpg

Ben Affleck, lol:
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/celebritysadfanaffleck.jpg

Hockey's Bruins went fishing too. They were one of the favorites:

http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/bruinlosegame7athome.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/bruinlosegame7athome2.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/bruinlosegame7athome3.jpg

Great role model Bob Cousy, lol:

http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/cousy.jpg

And one final insult and reminder who the better team was this year:

http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/Celtics445.jpg

[MrEfrisk]

Were you there taking some of those pics? I was at the coliseum on the left side, one section off of the vacant red seats and on the bottom section and sitting around the 15th or 16th row from the bottom.
Had to wake up at 4:30 am and had to wait at the Coliseum gates for like 3 hours. However it was still worth it, the show and speeches were awesome. Was funny when Luke talked smack about his dad of who won a ring with the better team lol.

[michaeljohn]

Were you there taking some of those pics? I was at the coliseum on the left side, one section off of the vacant red seats and on the bottom section and sitting around the 15th or 16th row from the bottom.
Had to wake up at 4:30 am and had to wait at the Coliseum gates for like 3 hours. However it was still worth it, the show and speeches were awesome. Was funny when Luke talked smack about his dad of who won a ring with the better team lol.

No, I didn't go. I am 4 hours away. I went to the ones that counted in 1985 at City Hall and The Forum. That was the year we were the Celtics Busters.

It would have been great to go, but no big deal that I didn't. Glad you had a blast! Of course Luke was right! Lakers > Blazers and Celtics!

[michaeljohn]

LMAO, a jealous Boston Celtics writer commits self-ownage:

clicky: RedsArmy.com - The Voice Of Celtics Fans: Best proof yet that Kobe is all about Kobe (http://www.redsarmy.com/home/2009/06/best-proof-yet-that-kobe-is-all-about-kobe.html)

Seems the writer didn't look close enough, Derek Fisher also got his fourth ring and wore the Nike puppet shirt as well. Probably got a fair share of $ for doing so, I doubt Derek has a contract with them. The writer should have read this thread and seen the photo!

http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/nb9kap.jpg

[michaeljohn]

http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/10wig4i.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/rtkf3q.jpg
http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/dynastythatwasnt.jpg

[michaeljohn]

Well, my debate foe, rexhamer, threw in the towel today and quit the argument. It's a long read in the Celtics vs. Lakers: Final Chapter thread, but he failed all over again, committed self ownage proving my case, and threw countless examples of flawed logic and hypocrisy at me. He never ever did try to refute my total annihilation of his main arguments other than by going off on a failed tangent. That in itself is proof I won.

I was always ribbing him and insulting him as well, but I feel he brought that on himself. He never did apologize for his blatant lies and accusations he made that I was abusing my mod power. I did suggest if I did that, he would have had a custom avatar and user title by now. It's been ages since I used mod options like that. I once gave ff7799 an avatar with clearly racist picture of a negro chomping on a watermelon. It was so bad it didn't even need the watermelon to be considered racist. It's just as much fun to think what I can do with my power as to actually do it.

However, one fitting avatar would be of Glen "Big Baby" Davis crying on the bench....I even have it scaled down to size to fit right in.

http://blog.ingamenow.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/big-baby.jpg

http://uploader.ws/upload/200906/bigbaby1.jpg

A user title could be something like "Lakers > Celtics", "michaeljohn 1 rexhamer 0", "Master of Flawed Logic and Hypocrisy", "A Bigger Baby than Big Baby"...and on and on.

So, I don't know if I will do it or not. I guess it depends on what others say, if they care, or if he comes back and becomes a pest again. Still, it's fun for me to know I can do it.

/rant