Its discusting! how you attack the victim

[Alex262]

Ok...

If someone raped your sister you would not like to see her address and picture in the web. REMOVE THAT SHIT!

This is going to far!

[fbgorb]

If my sister is a bitch, attention getter, and a money grabbing whore, then so yeah post some pics of her. It is all speculation at this point so everyone's opion is really null and void.

Hey, we bastardized Robert Jewel for the Atlanta Olympic Bombing, so why can't we act as "the right to know" kinda people when it really is none of our business.

American way, free speech, right to know bullshit..

I need a beer

[arfurvirus]

Ok...

If someone raped your sister you would not like to see her address and picture in the web. REMOVE THAT SHIT!

This is going to far!

Yep it is a shame poor kobe is all over then net now, guess that and fake rape charges go with fame and fortune.

[Alex262]

I do not care if you like her or not. But you should not post pictures or addresses of her as it is going to far. I really do not care if Kobe raped her or not. But I see equally unnecesary to post her Kobe's address so a mob of people go into his house and attack him.

[fbgorb]

I do not care if you like her or not. But you should not post pictures or addresses of her as it is going to far. I really do not care if Kobe raped her or not. But I see equally unnecesary to post her Kobe's address so a mob of people go into his house and attack him.


:wtf:

What is your definition of going to far? Everyon knows where the rich people already live. Hell, I know where poor Kenneth fucking Lay is renting a house near Aspen. I have been inside Jack Nicholson's cool old Victorian. You already know where they live.
It is a fact that this chica wants some publicity Monica Lewinsky style so let her have it .

[slkienuts]

:rofl: :thumbsup:

[BRob]

doing something to a alleged victim OR an alleged perpetrator is wrong.
:fight: :fight: :fight:


talking about it = free speech.
:flag: :flag: :flag: :flag:

[Firebird]

I do not care if you like her or not. But you should not post pictures or addresses of her as it is going to far. I really do not care if Kobe raped her or not. But I see equally unnecesary to post her Kobe's address so a mob of people go into his house and attack him.

Who the hell are you to come on here and TELL any of us to do anything? I am sure that the mods don't appreciate it and I am surprised one of them didn't ban you. That information is public information found at different public spots on the internet so they can post it if they want. Anyone can find out where Kobe lives if they want to go to L.A. and purchase a map of the stars but nobody knew who this little whore was. :moon:

[Justin]

Who the hell are you to come on here and TELL any of us to do anything? I am sure that the mods don't appreciate it and I am surprised one of them didn't ban you. That information is public information found at different public spots on the internet so they can post it if they want. Anyone can find out where Kobe lives if they want to go to L.A. and purchase a map of the stars but nobody knew who this little whore was. :moon:

No reason to ban him, he didnt break any rules.

[Justin]

REMOVE THAT SHIT!

This is going to far!

But it is funny how he demands things.

[\^/est]

HA!

hey Al ...

Kiss my penis.

[Otis T. Bass]

Ok...

If someone raped your sister you would not like to see her address and picture in the web. REMOVE THAT SHIT!

This is going to far!


Thank God that everyone on her isnt a pimply faced anemic geek.

I agree with you Al, problem is that all the tough guys (lol) on this site choose to attack her to make themselves fell better.

morons

[Justin]

Look.

Alot of people here are neutral and couldnt care less about all this. Like me. And I really dont agree with the name and address but what can I do. I know I wouldnt do it if I owned this place.

This is not my website and this is america and the owner can do what he wishes.

But with all the news coming out now its getting clearer that this girl has major issues and might be going after Kobe for unknown reasons

[Firebird]

OTIS!! How nice of you to join us again. You haven't shown your face around here since I made you look like the fool that you are. Now you come back when you see that someone is on your side. I think it is time for you to take another 2 month hiatus. :fawk:

Just the small amount of evidence presented at the prelim hearing has exposed this girl as a liar and a slut. When the trial starts ALL the dirt will come out and us "pimply faced anemic geeks" as you call us, will be proven right and you will disappear forever.

[comeonkatie]

personally i could care less about Kobe or this little girl...She is obviously just wanting attention and/or cash from him..

[Otis T. Bass]

OTIS!! How nice of you to join us again. You haven't shown your face around here since I made you look like the fool that you are. Now you come back when you see that someone is on your side. I think it is time for you to take another 2 month hiatus. :fawk:

Just the small amount of evidence presented at the prelim hearing has exposed this girl as a liar and a slut. When the trial starts ALL the dirt will come out and us "pimply faced anemic geeks" as you call us, will be proven right and you will disappear forever.

the evidence that was presented?

Did you watch the news?

She had her clothes torn and was bruised around her neck and was visibly shaken according to hotel employees. Is that the evedence you're talking about?

[KenInNJ]

But with all the news coming out now its getting clearer that this girl has major issues and might be going after Kobe for unknown reasons The more subtle reason is her mother's objection. Not so much her's. Mom was the third party; she wasn't there. Perhaps, embarrassed. Daughter meets State Law as to age in consenting. It happened so fast; she 19 normally flirts. He made an advance; she felt flattered. She was curious; so was he. Both felt the libido revving and let go the gas peddle. Then she realized mid-night approaching and Cinderella needed to get home. Gave him a reason to stop. He said, can we finish? She said NO. He said, what the heck! There's the door. Likely scenario. That being, is it rape?

[Firebird]

the evidence that was presented?

Did you watch the news?

She had her clothes torn and was bruised around her neck and was visibly shaken according to hotel employees. Is that the evedence you're talking about?

No, I am talking about the FACT that Kobe got sloppy seconds to at least one other guy. I am talking about the FACT that the pictures revealed no bruising on her neck, just a dime size one on her chin and a small scratch on her neck. The bruise was so small that the cops didn't even notice it! Doesn't sound like a brutal rape to me.

She is a lying skank and before this is all over everyone will know what she was really after. :idhitit:

[KenInNJ]

She is a lying skank and before this is all over everyone will know what she was really after. Hi Fireball, if the Defense continues at this rate, Kate will go down in history very embarassed. And Kobe will still have lost his multi-million endorsements. The risks and rewards are very distorted, hoping to hit a jackpot lottery. If Kobe found guilty for a romp in the hay, he goes to jail and can't honor NBA performance contract. Ugly either way. All losers.

[Firebird]

I think even if he is found guilty, he will not go to jail. They will give him probation with no jail time. Then the civil suit by the girl and her family will cost him a good chunk of change. That is what I think will happen IF (and thats a big IF) he is found guilty.

[KenInNJ]

he will not go to jail. They will give him probation with no jail time. Well, I'm no lawyer. I thought if he was found guilty, the sentencing guidelines will mean he do at least some minimum time with pinstripe uniforms. As to the civil, maybe that is the real motive.
Not just a bad lay by Kobe. :rock: Why do you say no jail time even if Kobe found guilty of rape? Something I've not read elsewhere. :book:

[Firebird]

The minimum sentence involves probation with no jail time. I couldn't find a link that pointed it out directly but I know that for a fact.

[KenInNJ]

Yo Firebird! If the State can prove that Kobe was a mad rapist with all those bruises and sexual tears, he just might do some big time. Why are you so convinced he gets the minimum? Lots of anti-Kobes out there in TV land crying special privilege for this NBA super-jock. I happen to agree that he not guilty of rape, but just bad communication. If I'm an Eagle jury, I at least hang that jury. You do same too?

[billpl]

In most cases, probation requires admission of the crime, something Kobe would probably not do.

If I'm an Eagle jury, I at least hang that jury. You do same too?

If you could prove to me, one could rape an unwilling victim over the back of a chair without her assistance or rope, duct tape, drugs, alcohol, powertools..., you might get my vote.
Like to see that demostrated in court.

[KenInNJ]

prove to me, one could rape an unwilling victim over the back of a chair without her assistance or rope, duct tape, drugs, alcohol, powertools..., you might get my vote.
Like to see that demostrated in court. You have a good point there as to "force" and "unwillingness." So far, Prosecution uses Kobe's BIG hands as the tools to force Kate and holding the door from her exit. Defense has not a chance to proffer Kate willingly entered, remained and when asked to leave was allowed to depart on her own volition. The facts seem to be real fuzzy wuzzy, which leads to lots of reasonable doubts. Unless the trial judge takes a heavy hand and precludes much of the Defense evidence and testimonies, the case will be a toss-up. In such a situation, the defendant gets the presumption of innocence until proven beyond a doubt.

[prettywoman291]

if they can post pictures about kobe i think that their should be pictures of her to. if i got raped i want everybody to know if you hide then something in the milk ain't clean why not let people know who she are. they make kobe seem like he's a monster or something. they are scared if they come out with her picture that some people may tell the truth about her ass. i think that her picture should be shown just like kobe's she's know better then him.

[Firebird]

Yo Firebird! If the State can prove that Kobe was a mad rapist with all those bruises and sexual tears, he just might do some big time. Why are you so convinced he gets the minimum? Lots of anti-Kobes out there in TV land crying special privilege for this NBA super-jock. I happen to agree that he not guilty of rape, but just bad communication. If I'm an Eagle jury, I at least hang that jury. You do same too?

Sorry it took me so long to respond to this, I have been hunting. I think if found guilty, Kobe will get the minimum because that is what his lawyer is good at. She has defended a few other sports stars in some criminal cases (Patrick Roy is the only one I know for sure) and has helped all of them avoid jail time. Granted, none of those charges are nearly as serious as rape but none of those people had the superstar status and money that Kobe does. Just my opinion.

[KenInNJ]

if they can post pictures about kobe i think that their should be pictures of her to. if i got raped i want everybody to know if you hide then something in the milk ain't clean why not let people know who she are. they make kobe seem like he's a monster or something. they are scared if they come out with her picture that some people may tell the truth about her ass. i think that her picture should be shown just like kobe's she's know better then him.
Back before the rape shield laws, that was the case. Journalists were publishing the name of the victim and the cops and detectives were mouthing off their names. Now, it's hush, hush, hush. You can publish and trash the accused, but not the accuser. Even if the accuser is a convicted liar, a ho, or another rapist in the past. All the past warts of sexual history, mental instability, suicidal attempts, drunking driving, assault and battery, drug rehabiliation or false rape claims make NOT one iota difference. ALL excluded unless fits one of the exceptions. Therefore the accused has a disadvantage in proven own innocent. At the coin toss, the accuser just screams rape and wins. The accused is presumed guilty at the on set. That's how stupid the existing law is. Even Bill O'reilly yesterday said the law is wacked. So here's a picture of Kate to take your shots here at the Kobewatch BB.
http://mysite.verizon.net/res1oh86/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/faber.jpg

[KenInNJ]

[if found guilty, Kobe will get the minimum because that is what his lawyer is good at. She has defended a few other sports stars in some criminal cases (Patrick Roy is the only one I know for sure) and has helped all of them avoid jail time. Granted, none of those charges are nearly as serious as rape but none of those people had the superstar status and money that Kobe does. Just my opinion. Mackey has a good track record as you suggested and I have no reason to think that she won't do her best to acquit Kobe. So far, she's doing a decent job, charging her top billing rate. Before Kobe's done, Mackey will tuck about $750,000 in her heavy purse. I also wondered why she carries such a BIG pocketbook. Now, that answers the question.

[Firebird]

$750,000??...Is that all?!! Damn, I would have guessed a lot more than that! Is that just her fee or is that all the other people as well?

[KenInNJ]

$750,000??...Is that all?!! Damn, I would have guessed a lot more than that! Is that just her fee or is that all the other people as well? I'm just guessing from HOW much time in a day she can devote to this one case since retained in July 2003. Doesn't seem like she works more than 24 hours a day each and every day at her top billing rate. The case will take about a year, let's say more than full time on her part. Doesn't count Kobe's expert witnesses like forensic experts. So far, Mackey hasn't announced who their famous DNA experts, medical examiners and hosts of the country's bests cast of characters either. I'll bet Michael Baden, Dr. Henry Lee will get Kobe the free ticket out of jail. Say another $150,000 for the two plus $500,000 for a group of private investigators, another $100,000 for jury consultant (definitely Demitri's firm). Oh, can't forget the other cast of defense attorneys and paraprofessionals at another $500,000. Then Kobe needs Decision Quest to put up pretty charts and pictures, another $75,000. And to buy an additional insurance policy, Kobe needs to retain Alan Dershowitz in case of an Appeal. $100,000. (Wonder why not many of them are on TV yapping their positions? Kobe has them in his back pocket already!) Another $250,000 for miscellaneous, that means Kobe has to cough up about $2 M, not including travel and other reimbursable expenses. If this case drags on for more than a year, add more. The State of Colorado will put up maybe $5 M towards Kobe's prosecution (that's not published yet.) Meanwhile, Kobe already lost more than $40 M in endorsements.

[KenInNJ]

Some interesting discussions on other Kobe BBs. (http://kobewatch.org/modules.php?name=News&file=comments&op=showreply&tid=251&sid=11&pid=208&mode=&order=&thold=#251) <---Just Click Here

Re: katelyn kristine faber pictures -below- (Score: 0) by guest on Monday, October 20 @ 23:02:02 CDT

WELL I THINK THAT THIS STATEMENT IS VERY RACIST. I AM A WHITE WOMAN, AND IT IS NOT TYPICAL OF A BLACK MAN TO DO THIS. HOWEVER IT IS TYPICAL OF WHITE WOMEN (GROUPIES) WHO I SEE FIRST HAND BECAUSE I DO WORK IN THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY, WHO SEE RICH BLACK MEN TO DO THIS TO THEM (THROW THEMSELVES AT THEM HOPING TO GET A BIG PAYOFF) SO MAYBE WE SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE ACCUSER AND QUESTION THE TYPE OF GIRL SHE REALLY IS. THESE MEN WHETHER BLACK WHITE OR OTHER WHO HAVE MONEY ARE STILL JUST MEN.

IF SHE CANNOT CONTROL HERSELF ENOUGH TO NOT BE A WHORE THEN WE CANNOT BLAME KOBE FOR TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE HO. PS. LETS BE REAL IM A WHITE WOMAN, AND BELIEVE ME BLACK DICK IS VERY ADDICTIVE. "CARMEN ELECTRA, MADONNA ETC)MAY I SAY MORE. THANK YOU.

[pdub]

looks like we have alot of experts on Kate Faber posting on here, no more like a bunch of bitter guys who feel powerful calling her a bitch or a slut. Give it a rest, I bet if every bit of your lives were disected it wouldnt look very flattering either. You dont know what happened just as i dont know what happened so you have no idea what her motives are in this whole thing, and as far as i know theres been no cival case. I think you guys just realize this slutty money grabbing bitch whore wouldnt even think of giving you any action at all if you were to meet. You know who you are.

[KenInNJ]

I bet if every bit of your lives were disected it wouldnt look very flattering either. You dont know what happened just as i dont know what happened so you have no idea what her motives are in this whole thing,.. . I think you guys just realize this slutty money grabbing bitch whore wouldnt even think of giving you any action at all...
http://www.cuckooznest.com/lakers/kobe_trophy_2002.jpgThat's why the bible thumping dudes are jamming it down with their high morals. The government should not be involved with wishy washy bedroom disputes of this kind. This stupid case will open that door for millions of trivial claims, spending billions across the United States. But you made your point about hidden motives towards deep-pockets.

[KenInNJ]

as far as i know theres been no cival case.

http://forums.webrats.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=687&stc=1&thumb=1 So if the Kate supporters deny her going to the Arizona Rehab Center for drugs, then do you think she went there to start documenting her post traumatic stress from Kobe for her civil damages? Tell us how you DON'T know. Perhaps in left field? :hahano:

[DB]

I have not attacked the accuser but if i did its with all the facts that or coming out daily

[KenInNJ]

No one considers anyone attacking the victim when discussing the facts :ugh: developing from the accuser's claims. Everyone here is trying to seek behind the preliminary round of facts and make own comments on how one sees the evidence produced. During the interim, many gauge the possibility of the Prosecution mounting their strongest conviction and OTOH, many also put forth their version of the how, what, who, when, where, why the rape claim is filed. Both sides of the argument attempt to make their best case for a conviction or an acquittal. It's the American way - the court of public opinion. :hahano:

[prettywoman291]

we really need not to worry about this because the trial won't even be shown on t.v.

[KenInNJ]

Whether Kobe's alleged rape case will be televised is still under court consideration. The press wants open court camera coverage. Media files lawsuits to keep camera in court, still not resolved. The more open the criminal case, the more people around the country will understand the legal issue.

[prettywoman291]

Whether Kobe's alleged rape case will be televised is still under court consideration. The press wants open court camera coverage. Media files lawsuits to keep camera in court, still not resolved. The more open the criminal case, the more people around the country will understand the legal issue.


thanks but i don't care

[elmer j fudd]

Sounds like someone needs a group hug, or group therapy. :eekdance:

[KenInNJ]

I only care to see Kate getting her day in court and Kobe getting a fair trial. If Kobe is convicted, I like to see if Kate will file a civil lawsuit. If acquitted, I like to see if Kobe gets his endorsements back. That's why I care. And I understand why you don't care because of media constantly favoring the alleged "victim."

[prettywoman291]

I only care to see Kate getting her day in court and Kobe getting a fair trial. If Kobe is convicted, I like to see if Kate will file a civil lawsuit. If acquitted, I like to see if Kobe gets his endorsements back. That's why I care. And I understand why you don't care because of media constantly favoring the alleged "victim."


you hit the nail on the head i hate the way the media dirty up his name it's uncalled for and if he did it. witch i think he didn't then he should pay the price

[KenInNJ]

12 year anniversary and NOT one media reminder (but here I will tell you as a history buff,) same set of facts: A lonely single woman being stars struck. A wealthy, famous man with a charming name. A small resort town. Flirts and invites herself into his bedroom late at night. An encounter that turns sour. Then a media frenzy. 12 years later, "who's that girl that cried wolf?" So goes another high profile false rape claim filed against Dr. William Kennedy Smith. This time Kobe. Again it was a one-night stand where Patricia Bowman claims Willie ripped her clothes off and forced himself on her. That rape case's theory: Defense lawyers in the Smith case argued that Patricia engaged in consensual sex. Bowman met Senator Edward Kennedy's nephew at a bar, she wound up at the Kennedy estate. What was forced about that?

Once again, in the Bryant case, as in the Smith case, the focus will be on her motives, not his. What was she thinking, taking dinner up to his hotel room late at night or trying to start his jacuzzi? Who's sexual appetite was she serving, her own or mutual? The weight of responsibility was on the 19-year-old woman to know better. It's called personal responsibility. Just Click Below The jury took only about an hour to come back and rendered a
#1. NOT guilty rape verdict for Defense Attorney Roy Black. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/jfkjr/stories/wks121191.htm)
#2. 50 min. Video Fame Patricia Bowman & Diane Sawyer. (http://www.moviesunlimited.com/musite/frameset/index.asp?frame=product%2Easp&sku=506885++)
WEST PALM BEACH, FLA., DEC. 11,1991 -- William Kennedy Smith was acquitted of rape today by a jury that deliberated for 77 minutes after hearing an impassioned closing argument by his attorney who said the sexual encounter that prompted the allegation was "right out of a romance novel."

As the verdict was announced in a tense, hushed courtroom after 10 days of testimony, Smith leaped from his chair and embraced Roy E. Black, his lead attorney. Four of the six jurors, including the foreman, wept openly as they glanced across the courtroom at Smith, smiling broadly at relatives and friends seated behind him.

Throughout the day of rebuttal testimony and closing arguments, Smith, 31, looked haggard and pensive. But he brightened like a light bulb as the court clerk twice intoned "not guilty," freeing him from the felony sexual battery and misdemeanor battery charges lodged against him last May.

[KenInNJ]

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/coverv/83/108483.jpgTen years ago, history might have been...could have been....but that's not in the cards anymore after going through an intense false rape claim. Would you say that is the product of American media? His life shattered? But he was able to still make a half decent living. Is he guilty as sin?

http://www.newsmax.com/showinside.shtml?a=2001/7/29/101526

Sunday, July 29, 2001 11:09 a.m. EDT -Accused Kennedy Clan Rapist Mulling House Run

"Kennedy Smith, a third generation member of America's most famous political family, is quietly exploring running for a seat in Congress from Chicago's North Side," the Chicago Sun-Times reported in its Sunday edition. The Kennedy family scion reportedly has his eye on the seat now occupied by Democrat Rod Blagojevich, who is expected to retire next year.

"In addition to focus groups, two other knowledgable sources told the Sun-Times that Smith has discussed a bid for the House," the paper said. In 1991, the son of JFK's sister Jean Kennedy Smith was accused of raping Patricia Bowman, whom he met at the Palm Beach, Fla., night spot Au Bar after a night on the town with his uncle Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., and cousin Rep. Patrick Kennedy, D-R.I.

The then-31-year-old Kennedy Smith was acquitted in a celebrated jury trial that was televised nationwide. But some say that, much like O.J. Simpson, a cloud of suspicion continues to hover over him.

Bowman's rape allegation was corroborated with a contemporaneous account from a friend, who said she was distraught, crying and looked disheveled after she called for help from the Kennedy family's oceanfront estate. When the friend arrived at the scene minutes later, Bowman immediately told her she'd been raped.

Kennedy's defense team painted Ms. Bowman as a promiscuous tramp who was out to have a good time on the night of the alleged attack.

One longtime Washington watcher said Sunday that any bid for elective office by Kennedy Smith risks dredging up the ugly incident all over again. "He's asking for great trouble," political analyst Larry Sabato told ABC Radio Network News. "He's asking to have his criminal non-conviction reviewed in minute detail by the press and he's going to relive his old nightmare."

After Kennedy Smith beat the rape rap, he became a doctor in New Mexico, then moved to Chicago, where he founded the group Physicians Against Land Mines.