Does anybody else have a problem with women?

[snipaw26]

I know it's an age old question but what I am actually getting at is this. Why is something as basic to the continuation of the species as relations with, in this case, woman so difficult?

From a young age we men are taught there are certain rules about women but women and men are basically the same. What makes them so different is socialization. On an individual basis women are like men in that there are fun ones, mean ones, interesting ones, etc. So if there are so many varieties why do so many men find it so hard to date or even meet one?

[CD]

I know it's an age old question but what I am actually getting at is this. Why is something as basic to the continuation of the species as relations with, in this case, woman so difficult?

From a young age we men are taught there are certain rules about women but women and men are basically the same. What makes them so different is socialization. On an individual basis women are like men in that there are fun ones, mean ones, interesting ones, etc. So if there are so many varieties why do so many men find it so hard to date or even meet one?
Because men are taught to be the ones to ask out a girl. So over time, a girl begins to get a good sense of what kind of guys ask her out. She gets a good idea of what kind of looks she can get, what salary she can get, what personality she can get, etc... Basically, this gives her the ability to be choosy and pick the best match that she can get in a man. If he's too good for her, he'll probably have a higher chance of leaving her, but if he's not up to her level, she'll feel like she can do better and get bored. Generally speaking, guys don't have the luxury of being hit on many times a day, so we don't really know what kind of girl we can settle down with (sometimes just for the night?).

Oh, and the fact that women play games when it comes to dating or meeting a guy. Games such as "I'll ignore him and hope he comes over to talk", and the always fun "I'll sick my best girl on him to see if he passes her test".

[snipaw26]

Well I realize it's the whole natural selection thing because a woman will lean towards picking a mate that will help her best continue the species. It just seems to me that the whole dating thing has become unnecessarily complicated.
By the same token men will gravitate towards the woman he think would be best for continuing the species. The irony is that the best woman for child birth and continuing the species would be a big hipped woman, easier getting the baby out through the birth canal. She would also be stockily built to endure child birth. In addition she would be smaller chested because of the problem of back problems associated with a large chest. Breast size having little to do with milk production.
What is the ideal woman in the Western world? A smaller woman with small hips and a large chest. Go figure.

[CD]

But are you saying that every woman that I, or other males, may want, we want more then just one night? This is a society that seems to be into the "nightly relationship", where a woman fit for birthing isn't exactly what a man may be interested.

[snipaw26]

Well, for the long term, men and women gravitate towards those that will help them perpetuate the species. For a one night stand then the man tries to be like a bee and hit every flower he can.
Beyond that though, it seems that both men and woman have a very difficult time just meeting and starting the ball rolling. Is it that both sexes are too picky? I mean really, are we that much to write home about that we take ourselves so seriously?

[supersatch]

Natural selection has taken on a new direction made so by society's standards. People seem to be set up as individuals, standing alone in simple tasks and being able to fend for themselves. However, along time ago human kind had found all of it's inadequatecies in being able to survive and then found out that they could be minimalized by becoming tribes of sorts. In order to live in such communities, guidelines needed to be established. This is where society as we know it starts.

Through the ages, with the endless devolopment of technologies, standards changed. So what was a desire to screw the strongest, quickest, smartest didn't really apply anymore. Today we live in an over-populated society where breeding really isn't a need anymore as much as a want. So that individual can use society's new standards to choose what is best for her individual needs not having to think of the product of better offspring. Especially since medical technological advances have made it that most cases, the child will survive, and live a relatively normal life.

So what I'm saying is that people as a whole made it this way and women are just taking advantage of a system that gives them this perk. Good on them for it too. It just sucks to be on the short end.

[Bigeme]

Humanity is stuck in a limbo between monogamy and polygamy. Women can only reproduce once every 10 months or so at best, so they need to get the best genes possible. Men every 10 minutes or so, so they want as many women as possible.

Because of this situation, women want mates who can provide and protect, but don't necessarily want their genes. Human women are the only species in the world that hide their fertility. Most species only mate during fertile periods. It's in order to keep a mate around. They are extremely likely to be unfaithful during their fertile periods and are far more attracted to men with physical characteristics of high testosterone levels.

So basically you are a result of one of two types: A man who cares only about sex, willing to settle down because it is what is necessary for an organized society (likely to cheat and not care) or one who comes from a guy who was selected as a provider and got lucky enough to actually knock up the bitch (who is completely devoted and, generally, a bitch).

Navigating this landscape is impossible if you are of the latter category and painful when you settle if you are in the prior.

Much of this came from a paper I read about why women have breasts. I wish I had it bookmarked. I'll try to find it and post it. It's very long, but interesting.

[snipaw26]

I read in a magazine a couple of months ago the theory that the reason a man's penis is the length that it is comes from the woman. If a man's endowment was too short then she would shy away from him because it didn't give her enough pleasure. If the penis was too large then the woman would shy away from it because of the discomfort it could produce. So therefore, a man's penis length is based on the natural selection of a woman. It doesn't take a large or long penis to impregnate a woman.

[supersatch]

What magazine was that?

[snipaw26]

The September issue of Playboy actually.