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93crawler
09-07-2008, 06:48 PM
Here's another article from Factcheck.org, about the "facts" McCain gives about Obama and himself during speeches and on the campaign trail. Once again the summary will have to suffice, because the article itself is too long, check the site out if you'd like, it has articles on Obama as well.

We checked the accuracy of McCain’s speech accepting the Republican nomination and noted the following:

* McCain claimed that Obama’s health care plan would "force small businesses to cut jobs" and would put "a bureaucrat ... between you and your doctor." In fact, the plan exempts small businesses, and those who have insurance now could keep the coverage they have.

* McCain attacked Obama for voting for "corporate welfare" for oil companies. In fact, the bill Obama voted for raised taxes on oil companies by $300 million over 11 years while providing $5.8 billion in subsidies for renewable energy, energy efficiency and alternative fuels.

* McCain said oil imports send "$700 billion a year to countries that don't like us very much." But the U.S. is on track to import a total of only $536 billion worth of oil at current prices, and close to a third of that comes from Canada, Mexico and the United Kingdom.

* He promised to increase use of "wind, tide [and] solar" energy, though his actual energy plan contains no new money for renewable energy. He has said elsewhere that renewable sources won’t produce as much as people think.

* He called for "reducing government spending and getting rid of failed programs," but as in the past failed to cite a single program that he would eliminate or reduce.

* He said Obama would "close" markets to trade. In fact, Obama, though he once said he wanted to "renegotiate" the North American Free Trade Agreement, now says he simply wants to try to strengthen environmental and labor provisions in it.

BackdoorJesus
09-07-2008, 07:14 PM
Fine then - in the interests of granting equal time, we can also read through this, also from factcheck.org.


FactChecking Obama

He stuck to the facts, except when he stretched them.

Summary

We checked the accuracy of Obama's speech accepting the Democratic nomination, and noted the following:

* Obama said he could “pay for every dime” of his spending and tax cut proposals “by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens.” That’s wrong – his proposed tax increases on upper-income individuals are key components of paying for his program, as well. And his plan, like McCain’s, would leave the U.S. facing big budget deficits, according to independent experts.

* He twisted McCain’s words about Afghanistan, saying, “When John McCain said we could just 'muddle through' in Afghanistan, I argued for more resources.” Actually, McCain said in 2003 we “may” muddle through, and he recently also called for more troops there.

* He said McCain would fail to lower taxes for 100 million Americans while his own plan would cut taxes for 95 percent of “working” families. But an independent analysis puts the number who would see no benefit from McCain’s plan at 66 million and finds that Obama’s plan would benefit 81 percent of all households when retirees and those without children are figured in.

* Obama asked why McCain would "define middle-class as someone making under five million dollars a year"? Actually, McCain meant that comment as a joke, getting a laugh and following up by saying, "But seriously ..."

* Obama noted that McCain’s health care plan would "tax people’s benefits" but didn’t say that it also would provide up to a $5,000 tax credit for families.

* He said McCain, far from being a maverick who’s "broken with his party," has voted to support Bush policies 90 percent of the time. True enough, but by the same measure Obama has voted with fellow Democrats in the Senate 97 percent of the time.

* Obama said "average family income" went down $2,000 under Bush, which isn't correct. An aide said he was really talking only about "working" families and not retired couples. And – math teachers, please note – he meant median (or midpoint) and not really the mean or average. Median family income actually has inched up slightly under Bush.

thecowboy
09-07-2008, 08:00 PM
Yes. They are both liars. This is getting extremely redundant and annoying. It is common fucking knowledge that anyone running for president today is going to exaggerate his or her own position in order to garner votes.

Here's a fucking fact checker for you: the presidentisgoingtolietogetyourvote.com. If it shows up as "this page cannot be displayed" keep refreshing until something shows up.

/thread.

joerockhead
09-07-2008, 10:27 PM
Yes, and FACTCHECK.ORG is on the up and up.

Sure, if you are a die hard Democrat.

Afte spending the last two hours looking over it, there are about 40-1 facts that make Obama look good (heck if not great) and make McCain look less stellar.

No, it does not entirely slam McCain, but it sure is BIASED!!!! (I am Yelling the biased part for all to hear).

tomterrific
09-07-2008, 10:37 PM
Nothing you can say or do will make me vote for Obama! He is an empty suit and has never done anything but whine.

fmb
09-07-2008, 11:04 PM
My post here is in the hopes folks will realize this is politics. If you think either of these bastards is telling the truth, you're filling your lungs from helium balloons.

Check, think, and vote!

BackdoorJesus
09-08-2008, 12:24 AM
Yes. They are both liars. This is getting extremely redundant and annoying. It is common fucking knowledge that anyone running for president today is going to exaggerate his or her own position in order to garner votes.
amen to that.

joerockhead
09-08-2008, 07:18 PM
........ If you think either of these bastards is telling the truth, you're filling your lungs from helium balloons..............


Just about everyone here has been saying that and Agreeing to that.

That is about the Only thing we all agree on!!! :bowrofl:

All I can say, is after this election is over, hopefully we will all let this kind of chatter end, and get back to all the stupid BS we like to post, and not hold grudges. (that includes me if Senator Obama wins).

JenniferJuly
10-07-2008, 04:12 PM
That will take 5 years!!! LOL!

joerockhead
10-12-2008, 11:04 PM
Rumor has it that Obama had sit on the board of the company that owns Factcheck.org

And that he has donated money to them over the years (way before this started). So if that is a fact, then Factcheck.org just may be a bit biased.

Imagine that.