Fact-Checking the GOP Convention part two

[93crawler]

Here is part two of the mis-steps the Republicans made about Obama, and their own records in some cases on the second half of the GOP convention. Enjoy, and the let debate begin. I'm just posting the Summary, the bulk of the article is too long to post here.

Sarah Palin’s much-awaited speech at the Republican National Convention on Wednesday night may have shown she could play the role of attack dog, but it also showed her to be short on facts when it came to touting her own record and going after Obama’s.

We found Rudy Giuliani, who introduced her, to be as factually challenged as he sometimes was back when he was in the race. But Mike Huckabee may have laid the biggest egg of all.

* Palin may have said “Thanks, but no thanks” on the Bridge to Nowhere, though not until Congress had pretty much killed it already. But that was a sharp turnaround from the position she took during her gubernatorial campaign, and the town where she was mayor received lots of earmarks during her tenure.

* Palin’s accusation that Obama hasn’t authored “a single major law or even a reform” in the U.S. Senate or the Illinois Senate is simply not a fair assessment. Obama has helped push through major ethics reforms in both bodies, for example.

* The Alaska governor avoided some of McCain’s false claims about Obama’s tax program – but her attacks still failed to give the whole story.

* Giuliani distorted the time line and substance of Obama’s statements about the conflict between Russia and Georgia. In fact, there was much less difference between his statements and those of McCain than Giuliani would have had us believe.

* Giuliani also said McCain had been a fighter pilot. Actually, McCain’s plane was the A-4 Skyhawk, a small bomber. It was the only plane he trained in or flew in combat, according to McCain’s own memoir.

* Finally, Huckabee told conventioneers and TV viewers that Palin got more votes when she ran for mayor of Wasilla than Biden did running for president. Not even close. The tally: Biden, 79,754, despite withdrawing from the race after the Iowa caucuses. Palin, 909 in her 1999 race, 651 in 1996.

[tomterrific]

Nothing you can say or do will make me vote for Obama! He is an empty suit and has never done anything but whine.

[joerockhead]

Did Factcheck.org have this too???


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[93crawler]

I'm beginning to think that you really only care about two issues...taxes and the military. This sort of we're better than you at protecting America, and we're going to scare the shit out of you to convince you so is just ludicrous. It's really getting pretty fucking old, and I don't think the majority of the country will fall for this shit any longer, I hope not anyway. I could post a wealth of videos debunking, and slamming McCain on this very issue, but why...the content will fall on deaf ears.

The last bit about it being solely Clinton's fault when it comes to 9/11 is just incredible. Again, I could post a litany of sources, stating the actual facts of the matter. Here's one for instance, a memo titled "Bin Laden determined to attack within the US," what did the Bush administration do with it---nothing. They were so preoccupied with Iraq, that they took their eyes off of everything else. I mean they disbanded the very office who was spying and gathering information on Bin Laden right when they took over, this is just one of the many reasons 9/11 was capable of being carried out. Clinton on his way out even said, that they should focus almost solely on Bin Laden, but obviously Bush thought Iraq was a bigger threat.

[licupssy]

Yeah, Joe reminded me of an article I read yesterday on that small country of Venezuela. Note the reference to visiting Russian TU-160 bombers.

Venezuela Joins Bolivia in Expelling U.S. Ambassador

By Juan Forero
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, September 12, 2008; A09



BOGOTA, Colombia, Sept. 11 -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez told a throng of supporters Thursday that he is giving U.S. Ambassador Patrick Duddy 72 hours to leave the oil-rich country.

The populist leader said he issued the order in solidarity with his close ally in Bolivia, President Evo Morales, who on Wednesday ordered the expulsion of the U.S. ambassador in La Paz after accusing him of fomenting unrest. The United States said it has nothing to do with a rising tide of violent anti-government protests in Bolivia, which led to the deaths of at least eight demonstrators on Thursday.

Spicing his speech with expletives, Chávez said he was also recalling Venezuela's ambassador, Bernardo Álvarez, from Washington. The decision, announced before thousands of supporters in the city of Puerto Cabello, signals that Chávez is willing to escalate his long confrontation with the United States to solidify support before mayoral and gubernatorial elections in November.

"Go to hell, Yankees," he said as the crowd hollered in support.

Chávez said that "when there's a new government in the United States, we will send an ambassador, a government that respects the people of Latin America, the America of Simón Bolívar."

Relations have been particularly strained in recent days as U.S. officials have accused Venezuela of falling far short in the war on drugs in the Andes. U.S. and Colombian authorities say an increasing amount of cocaine is funneled through Venezuela, often with Venezuelan officials participating in the trafficking. Venezuelan officials angrily deny the charges.

Chávez on Thursday also said that the United States was behind a plot to assassinate him, and his government announced a reduction in flights from the United States on American carriers. That decision was made in retaliation after U.S. officials issued warnings about the safety of Venezuelan airports.

This week, Chávez also relished the arrival of two Russian strategic bombers in Venezuela. The Tu-160 bombers, which Russian officials said are not carrying live weapons, are flying training missions over the Caribbean until Monday, when they will return to Russia.

Although NATO fighters escorted the bombers on their long flight to Venezuela, U.S. officials have said they are closely monitoring the exercises.

Chávez said the arrival of the bombers counters Washington's influence in the region and puts the United States "on notice." The training exercises come after Moscow showed its displeasure with the Bush administration for sending warships to provide assistance to Georgia, which last month lost a short war with Russia.

On Wednesday, Chávez said he wanted to fly "one of those beasts" past Cuba and greet his friend and mentor, former Cuban president Fidel Castro. Pavel Androsov, the head of the Russian air force's long-distance command, told Interfax that Chávez's request would be considered.

"If they ask us, then fine, if they give us such an order, we will safely transport him and show him the Caribbean from above," Androsov said.

[PMBalls]

Sorry to say, but all the facts aren't going to do much when you have dumb fucks like one of my wife's coworkers who still thinks gay marriage is THE HOT ISSUE and is voting based on the stances of that.

[joerockhead]

.....The last bit about it being solely Clinton's fault when it comes to 9/11 is just incredible. Again, I could post a litany of sources, stating the actual facts of the matter. Here's one for instance, a memo titled "Bin Laden determined to attack within the US," what did the Bush administration do with it---nothing. They were so preoccupied with Iraq, that they took their eyes off of everything else. I mean they disbanded the very office who was spying and gathering information on Bin Laden right when they took over, this is just one of the many reasons 9/11 was capable of being carried out. Clinton on his way out even said, that they should focus almost solely on Bin Laden, but obviously Bush thought Iraq was a bigger threat.


Well, I do not know where you got your source on the closing of the Office that was spying.
I am fortunate enough to be working in the world that is directly associated with the government agencies that do that line of work.

If there was an office that was only focusing on Bin Laden, and it was closed, it may because of the fact that it was redundant, or not producing anything worth while, and may have been just a waste of money.

And Had Clinton been doing his job, then the attack would never had occurred.
After three terrorist attacks on the US outside of our country, and little to no response from the Democratic President, they had little to fear in attacking US soil.

[93crawler]

Richard Clark...counter-terrorism expert, look him up, if you don't know his name, you obviously don't know as much as you say. You really are only concerned with two single issues aren't you, it baffles me that someone can only be concerned with whether their taxes supposedly will go up, and the military.

I'll admit, Clinton probably should have made an attempt to strike against persons, or groups that may have been responsible for the attack on the USS Cole, and other attacks.....but can you honestly tell me you solely blame Clinton?! Incredible, that's just incredible. I've stated things I may disagree with Obama on, and even Clinton when he was still in office, can you do the same with regards to Bush, and more to the point McCain?

[Juan.Camaney]

This thread went just about as far as it was going to go. It's one thing to keep everything elections related in one thread, but its another to start a thread about fact checking and end up taling about what one cares about in the elections.