Moussaoui

[mrsnifflez]

What are your thoughts about whether or not he should be put to death for his involvement in 9/11?

I searched the forum and surprisingly foudn nothing on this subject. I personally think that the man should not be put to death for the simple fact that he wants to be killed. If given the death penalty I think he will see it as well as his followers as him being a martyr. I just don't think we should give him the "privilege" of being considered a martyr.

I also see a reason to kill him though. Keeping him alive could possibly bring upon us more terrorist acts in order to release him. I was just curious to hear everyone's thoughts about this situation.

[facepeeler]

I was thinking the same thing..killing him would put an end to everything, but keeping him alive would go against what he is wanting. He went on the stand and said that he would rather die, because spending the rest of his life in prison would be too "harsh" or something...at the same time, he could have been using reverse psychology and wants to stay alive, like she said, plotting more attacks. But as of late, nothing else has happened on American soil. And I don't think anything will happen until we let our guard down. Then they will drop a bomb somewhere to let us know they're still watching.

That's the shitty part about a group of people that believe so much in what they are doing that they welcome death, think it's a great honor or something of that nature.

I personally say fry the fucker, but first soak the chair in pig blood. Or if the do him by lethal injection dip the needles in pig blood. That way the fucker doesn't get to go to heaven with his 700 virgins...

[yellowfish]

so now he has a life sentance
in a small cage
do u feel safer at nite?

i watched cnn and most people they interviewed said they were happy with life imprisonment few said they were upset the death penalty wasnt used

my question is do u want a dead martyr or a live hostile enemy?

[cruzinazn420]

i definitely agree he would be labeled a martyr if he is executed. as for life in prison, how long do you think someone like him will stay alive in prison? he is going to a federal prison right? will he be confined from the community spaces in the prison? if not, i give him about two months before he gets killed in prison. i am glad he didnt get death. prison is better for him.

[VIVIX]

i definitely agree he would be labeled a martyr if he is executed. as for life in prison, how long do you think someone like him will stay alive in prison? he is going to a federal prison right? will he be confined from the community spaces in the prison? if not, i give him about two months before he gets killed in prison. i am glad he didnt get death. prison is better for him.
Yeah, with all the patriotic bikers and aryans in prison he won't last long. But I'd rather have him die with a shank in his gut than a big media execution. I imagine a guard wouldn't have a problem slipping an inmate a knife or something to stab him with.

[slumpbuster]

I think they should have burned him alive, not to kill him though...drug his body behind a Hummer on the Bonneville Salt Flats, and then beheaded him while the executioners were standing behind him wearing black headcovers holding AK's.

OR

...anyone seen the movie Hostel? Would have been an awesome way to end his life...and sell it on pay-per-view. Of course you would have had to mix in pigs blood in there somewhere.

[Bigeme]

I dont know to me its a matter of money. It costs a lot to keep someone in jail (something like 80k a year) but i hear it costs more to execute someone. I don't know why this country spends so much on incarceration. I say lock him in a room with some bacon and sausage and let him choose.

[wudluv]

I think prison is good enough for this bastard. He's sure to become Bruce the butt bandits best friend. Just think of the prestige and honor another death row inmate is gonna get from his peers when he shoves a three foot piece of broken broom stick up this guys ass. And knowing some of the inmates it will be lubed up with bacon grease. The gaurds will watch and laugh and make bets about how long he will scream and twitch.

I doubt he lives a year in the pen. They would have to put him in a cell on the moon to keep him safe from other inmates.

[CD]

He will be completely isolated from everyone forever. That's pretty damn hardcore punishment if you ask me! Much worse then death in his case. I think it's a good choice.

[adog8me]

Put em in prison, let him be beat repeatdly on a weekly basis half to death. That way he goes through much more pain that just death.

[Cinnamon]

He will be completely isolated from everyone forever. That's pretty damn hardcore punishment if you ask me! Much worse then death in his case. I think it's a good choice.

I got to thinking about ti today and I have to agree. If he is put to death, it's over. Now all he can do is think about things all day, over and over. It'll drive him crazy (crazier than he is now) in no time at all.

And to clarify the thought on others beating him - he'll be in a small cell for 23 hours a day with 1 hour or "recreation time" alone. Besides the guards who escort him to the place for him to exercise or the ones who give him meals, he'll have no contact with the other prisoners.

[kpeeze]

He's going to Supermax in Colorado, and will never be in contact with prisoners - so no chance of him getting beaten.

I'm glad we sentenced him to life. It made us the stronger or the two. If we executed him, it brings us down to his level, we would both be killers. The death penalty is arcane and needs to be eliminated. It serves no good purpose, but allows for the chance that we might execute an innocent person, it is more costly to execute than imprison for life, it doesn't deter future crime, and it doesn't make us any safer (someone imprisoned for life is already removed from society, and is no longer a threat). That's my rant.

[doomtuba]

This may be bad, but I say make sure not to put him in solitary confinement. Put him in a cell with Tyrone and Jamal. A lifetime of assraping is worse than death.

[johnarslan]

I can't remember the cost for keep an inmate per year. I think I remember somewhere around $30,000. He'll be there for, what, 30 years? That's almost a million dollars.
If he's put to death and he's a martyr, for exactly how long is he a martyr? A year or two? He gets a round of applause and an entry in the martyr hall of infamy - probably a newpaper photo taped to a wall.
I don't know - I go either way on it. $200 bucks and he's executed and I can get my street repaved. Or, $900,000 and I get a suspension done every few years. *shrug*

[kpeeze]

I can't remember the cost for keep an inmate per year. I think I remember somewhere around $30,000. He'll be there for, what, 30 years? That's almost a million dollars.
If he's put to death and he's a martyr, for exactly how long is he a martyr? A year or two? He gets a round of applause and an entry in the martyr hall of infamy - probably a newpaper photo taped to a wall.
I don't know - I go either way on it. $200 bucks and he's executed and I can get my street repaved. Or, $900,000 and I get a suspension done every few years. *shrug*

It's cheaper to incarcerate for life than to execute. You're right the average cost per year to incarcerate is about $30000/yr and about $1million over their life.

But the cost to execute is much higher. The average cost per execution is between $20 million and 90 million (depending on the source and the costs they figure). This is because the administrative costs are substantial, and the legal costs are significant (those sentenced to death go through numerous costly appeals). I think few people would suggest that we pare down the appellate process (it seems like almost everyday we are finding out about a new person on death row who was exonerated), because since there are already inocent people who are getting sentenced to death, one would hardly advocate cutting back on the process and likely causing many individuals to be executed who otherwise might be vindicated through the appellate process. There are substantial hidden costs in the use of death penalty which mean that it is far cheaper to incarcerate someone for life than to execute them.

[johnarslan]

I didn't know it cost that much. You have a source for that? I'm interested to know more about that.

I'm not sure you were directing this at what I said or not, but I wasn't thinking of ALL those on death row, I was looking at the cost of a life sentence/or death vs making Moussaoui a martyr.
You're right, there's been a lot people found innocent who were on death that have been exonerated. There's a guy the other day in Texas who was innocent but executed.

[kpeeze]

I didn't know it cost that much. You have a source for that? I'm interested to know more about that.

I'm not sure you were directing this at what I said or not, but I wasn't thinking of ALL those on death row, I was looking at the cost of a life sentence/or death vs making Moussaoui a martyr.
You're right, there's been a lot people found innocent who were on death that have been exonerated. There's a guy the other day in Texas who was innocent but executed.

I'm against it on so many levels, but Moussaoui's situation presents another reason (avoid making a martyr of him) not to execute him. Here is a little bit of info I dug up. There is no shortage of info.

Florida:
Florida would save $51 million each year by punishing all first-degree murderers with life in prison without parole, according to estimates. Based on the 44 executions Florida has carried out since 1976, that amounts to an approximate cost of $24 million for each execution. This finding takes into account the relatively few inmates who are actually executed, as well as the time and effort expended on capital defendants who are tried but convicted of a lesser murder charge, and those whose death sentences are overturned on appeal. (Palm Beach Post, January 4, 2000)

New York:
The estimated costs for the death penalty in New York since 1995 (when it was reinstated): $160 million, or approximately $23 million for each person sentenced to death. To date, no executions have been carried out.
(The Times Union, Sept. 22, 2003)

California:
With 11 executions spread over 27 years, on a per execution basis, California and federal taxpayers have paid more than $250 million for each execution. (Tempest, Rone, "Death Row Often Means a Long Life", Los Angeles Times, March 6, 2005)

North Carolina:
The death penalty costs North Carolina $2.16 million per execution OVER the costs of a non-death penalty murder case with a sentence of imprisonment for life. (Duke University, May 1993)

Nationwide:
Report estimates that between 1982-1997 the extra cost of capital trials (over trial for life sentences) was $1.6 billion. (NBER Working Paper No. w8382, Issued in July 2001)

[ndawg104]

If we killed him, he would be considered a martyr still and we don't want that. However, putting him in the Supermax prison is pretty bad. From what I hear about the prison, I would want to be dead than put in it. I guess you can't walk 5 feet without hitting a wall. Showers built in cells, minimal to no human contact. I even heard one expert say that the way its designed you won't know what direction is to get out. So I'm glad they gave him the Life in prison sentance. Even though I am in favor of capital punishment and what he attributed too would have been suitable for death.

[bigadog]

Yeah, with all the patriotic bikers and aryans in prison he won't last long. But I'd rather have him die with a shank in his gut than a big media execution. I imagine a guard wouldn't have a problem slipping an inmate a knife or something to stab him with.


You got it exactly right. Hopefully he takes it in the ass, sucks some cock and then dies of aids. Or a shanking

[jrscobra]

life sentence is much more cruel than death. no contact with anyone other than guards. in a cell thats about the size of a closet. surrounded by infidels. i like the idea. no contact with his fellow terrorists. no quick death. just years of solitude. years of silence. id prefer death over that.

[devilkeib]

Perhaps he'll be on the receiving end of a broom stick.

[adam bomb]

wether or not we kill him doesnot matter as far as attacks go. The insurgents and the other Islamic extremists who cowardly attakced us HATE us and will attack anything they want no one is safe not even women and children. If he is found to have any involvement he should be hung. Although he would prefer that beacuse in his twisted view of the Islamic faith he thinks he will go see Allah for being a martyr,which he is wrong but that is what he will think so he would want death. WEe shoudl put him to death for justice and make him pay for the cowardly act he was involved in if that ends up being the case.

[kpeeze]

wether or not we kill him doesnot matter as far as attacks go. The insurgents and the other Islamic extremists who cowardly attakced us HATE us and will attack anything they want no one is safe not even women and children. If he is found to have any involvement he should be hung. Although he would prefer that beacuse in his twisted view of the Islamic faith he thinks he will go see Allah for being a martyr,which he is wrong but that is what he will think so he would want death. WEe shoudl put him to death for justice and make him pay for the cowardly act he was involved in if that ends up being the case.

You seem to be the most religious person on this site and on another post you were toughting the virtues of the 10 commandments - isn't thou shalt not kill one of them? Don't you see the hypocracy of your argument?

[mastergbrand]

I think that involvement in 9/11 means that you first get locked away without a key with all of the most depressed psychos who have nothing better to do then belittle your ass and eventually stab you, or put you in such a state of depression and anguish yourself that you hang yourself with your underwear , but thats just me. hehe