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Originally Posted by CD  So basically what you are saying is that the founding fathers didn't have enough foresight to realize blacks were actually people too, but they DID have enough smarts to foresee the right to own automatic rifles that can spray 800+ bullets a second. You can't have it both ways. I personally think that they did an amazing job at that time in history, but since attitudes and technology change over the years, they left it open for amendments. The problem we have going forward is finding the right balance. |
No. What I am saying is they had enough forsight to leave the amendment clear and concise without the need to "interpret" anything. The ammendment says what it says. What federal and state law feels like mandating is up to the legistlators and activist judges. There is nothing in the constitution that made slavery legal, it just was. There *ARE* many things now on the books against slavery and indentured servitude.
Look, I understand this tired point. We "gun nuts" like our guns and want to keep them without the government telling us much about them besides, register them, keep them safe, don't kill anyone or anything unless it needed it. Therefore we keep our reading of the 2nd pretty strict. People who don't understand guns, are "afraid" of guns, or are just downright morons jumping on some bandwagon movement having never really even used a gun the way it was intended to will want to place laws involving guns on the books so they can further tweek them until they make owning a gun about as hard as sewing moon beams to farts.
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Originally Posted by CD So should you be required to have gun insurance in case you accidentally hit or kill someone? You're required to have car insurance... |
Again, ignorance. First off, one of the questions that insurance companies do ask is whether or not you own weapons. They don't make you prove one way or another, so its up to you, I guess. Personaly, for fear I may actually once shoot someone, I always keep it on the books that I am armed and will shoot an intruder. Second, you are not required to have car insurance. There are many circumstances in which you can keep a vehicle and have it not be insured. Planned non-operation. Vehicles with no vin numbers on them. Vehicles destined for the crusher that are considered salvaged titled. Cars in drag strips all over the world running single digit 1/4 mile trap speeds at deep DEEP tripple digit speeds are often refered to as rolling chassis; its the engine and other drive train components that matter. What does matter is that you follow the rules that competent people have put on the books according to what class you run...just an FYI, there is such a thing called an OUTLAW class
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Originally Posted by CD I've given my points about this topic in numerous previous posts, and although I have changed my opinion on a few things based on what I've read here, I still feel that there are certain weapons that just shouldn't be allowed to be sold outside of military applications. |
We accept your points as your own. We are glad you continue to change your opinions based upon some new facts presented to you. We understand you feel a certain way about weapons. But, however, just how we gun owners and proponents of less restriction are not demanding you change the way you can present your views and we "allow" you to discuss your views openly, and we aren't trying to force a whole bunch of retarded laws about your freedom of speech, we don't want anyone else infringing on our right to pack and protect.
Many people might think making gun laws about what the public can and cannot own will eventually stop gun violence. It won't, proof is in the countries that do not allow the public to own guns.
Many people might think making gun laws about what the public can and cannot own will reduce gun related crimes and make it harder for criminals and citizens looking to commit crimes to own and posses. This is false. Proof, the black market. Comparison: prohibition of alcohol.
Many people might think that engraving numbers on casings will trace a gun back to you. False. Its easier to steal ammo with someone elses number on it. Its also just as easy to take some sand paper and erase those numbers off.
Many people might think that making people wait 5 to 10 days to be able to own a gun will create a "cooling off" period and allow proper background checks and clearences. It doesn't and they don't. True criminals will not buy a gun they have to register to commit a crime. True crimes of passion involve guns already owned by those people or a better weapon, or they can buy a throw away just as easy.
This thread is pretty much over. We have thrown around arguments on both sides quoting a bunch of documents and legislation and have not proven anything other than, those who own guns want to preserve their right to keep them and those who "don't like" guns are
gay not going to like them.
For those who have lost a friend or family to gun violence and have begun to hate guns for those reasons, please remember that you continue to enjoy freedom because of guns and those of us who know how to use them.