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Originally Posted by rexhamer  The scorecard – I gave you a chance to explain the obvious hypocrisy of including conference finals wins & losses, while counting only championship finals wins (where are the Lakers’ 15 finals losses?). Your response: Quote: |
Originally Posted by michaeljohn Gee, the Celtics hold only one advantage, that’s why their title edge is listed. |
But what about the Lakers Finals losses? When you don’t like a rebuttal, you just ignore it. (We will see more of this as we go along.) You offered no answer to my question, confirming that your scorecard is biased. It is all based on YOUR opinion of what constitutes a relevant category. Or should I say you have “Cherry Picked” the categories? Oh my oh my. Your failure to even follow this argument and demonstrate you even know what you are talking about is simply amazing. You claim I ignore stuff? You do! My last blog addressed everything and I even pointed this out in this thread! I already pointed out I gave a refutation to 14-15 in my blog, and most likley in several places in this thread that you still haven't answered!
Here's my reply in my blog rexhamer, go look for yourself and see it. Then my refutation that follows what I show below in quoting myself. That's yet another thing you have ignored, you never argued with my refutation. I even advised you there to pay attention, something you clearly have trouble with, and something that is causing you to commit self-ownage here over and over again: Quote: |
Originally Posted by michaeljohn Yes, I did address the 14-15 record. Did rexhamer not pay attention? And to think he asks why I have to keep repeating myself! You are the one ducking my questions, that’s evident throughout my blog. |
Hypocrisy rears its ugly head again! Yep, it's you who are the hypocrite, your arguments are guilty of it. Thanks for helping me point it out to everyone.
This is certainly in conflict with this statement: Quote: |
Originally Posted by michaeljohn by creating a scorecard free from bias | My scorecard isn't biased, your statements are erroneous. Let's have a look at it: Quote: |
Originally Posted by michaeljohn Final Scorecard:
1) Titles: Celtics 17, Lakers 14: Edge Celtics, plus 3
2) NBA Finals appearances, and conference finals wins: Lakers 29, Celtics 20. Edge Lakers, plus 9
3) NBA Conference Finals appearances: Lakers 38, Celtics 31, Edge Lakers, plus 7
4) NBA Conference Finals losses: Lakers 9, Celtics 11, Edge Lakers, plus 2.
5) Who’s best, season by season over the entire NBA history: Lakers 33, Celtics, 22, equal 5. (Or Lakers 36, Celtics 24) Edge Lakers, plus 11 (or 12)
6) Playoff appearances: Lakers 55/60, Celtics 45/60: Edge Lakers, plus 10.
7) Franchise regular season winning percentages, Lakers 61.7%, Celtics 59.3%, Edge Lakers.
8) Can the most successful franchise have fewer titles? Yes. Edge Lakers.
9) Can the most successful franchise have a losing finals record? Yes, Edge Lakers. | There is nothing in this scorecard that is biased at all. Every category is relevant as the facts are cumulative totals over the entire history of the NBA. The last two are simply added, with proof in my blog, to answer anyone who objects to those statements. Note, Point 9 no longer applies! The categories you want to add are clearly biased, More on that as needed.
Now let’s look at your attempt to remove 9-2, 17-3 and 14-15 from the scorecard by speculation. Quote: |
Originally Posted by michaeljohn First, I would like to say that these categories are placed as relevant and important by Celtics_55’s opinion. They are backed up by facts which I maintain are “Cherry Picked”. Does everyone else think they are as important? Well, Celtics_55 has just told you they do! Let’s expose the flawed logic with this. First and foremost, we have the IEttR come into play. The words “any fan” presumes “every fan”. The words “so prominent in any fan’s discussion”, means I can pick “any fans” or you can pick “any fans” and interview them to see what they talk about! If they aren’t Celtics fans, I doubt seriously many of the fans will bring these categories up at all, let alone prominently! Check any basketball forum. They talk about every basketball notion you can imagine, except this! Furthermore, since he claims it will happen and be “prominent in any fan’s discussion”, he is determining their relevance by…drum roll please…..SPECULATION!
That in itself immediately and officially eliminates 9-2 and 17-3 from this debate. | Let’s take this in pieces. Quote: |
Originally Posted by michaeljohn First and foremost, we have the IEttR come into play. | Since I have already shown that you have no actual exceptions, this statement, and any references to your use of this, are refuted. | Wow, what a weak response. I clearly destroyed your arguments above about the IEttR. So, two things. Remember, they remain speculation and you still haven't addressed my independant refutations of them! You love to ignore everything I beat you with don't you. You want to call the fight off in the first quarter as I have stated already.
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Last edited by michaeljohn; 06-26-2009 at 02:25 AM.
Reason: changed reply of point 8 to point 9 no longer applies
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